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Posted 3/29/2018 4:40 AM (GMT 0)
Just read about Michael Milken and his total diet of less than 9 grams of fat daily.

He swears it has kept him alive for 20 years after being diagnosed with advanced prostate cancer.

Includes lots of soy products.

Anybody tried his diet or read his recipe books?
Posted 3/29/2018 11:40 PM (GMT 0)
I don’t know about Michael but I follow a gentleman here his screen name is cashless, you might want to check his thread abiut “diet and exercise”. He got very good results using soy every day. I started using soy products too about a month ago or so everyday. I have not had the psa test yet to see the day difference but I trust cashless.
Posted 3/30/2018 1:30 PM (GMT 0)
If I were in your shoes, I would depend on tried and true intervention for prostate cancer, i.e., surgery or radiation. Maybe someday there will be a scientifically conducted and peer-reviewed double blind study of non-traditional cancer treatment but I certainly wouldn't bet my life on a low fat diet and bean juice for a cancer cure.
Posted 3/30/2018 1:47 PM (GMT 0)
First from your stats it appears primary treatment with radiation or surgery gives you the best odds of survival.

I was on a vegan diet after treatment. Lately have drifted off it. There is no way to know if it helped me.
Posted 3/30/2018 2:17 PM (GMT 0)
I assume that you're talking about using this diet, in conjunction with some form of treatment, correct? If so, eating healthy can only be good for you in many ways. (Beyond PCa.) I didn't read this as if this would be the only thing that you would do, but if that's the case I certainly wouldn't recommend diet alone.

This has made me curious about Michael Milken. Do others know much about his diagnosis and treatment beyond diet? While I knew he had PCa, I didn't know until googling that he had been diagnosed with advanced prostate cancer, but I don't know if he ever publicly revealed the extent and what that meant. Has he talked about what treatment he had?
Posted 3/30/2018 2:43 PM (GMT 0)
I don’t think diet by itself will ever work. Treatments first then diet and exercise
Posted 3/30/2018 3:54 PM (GMT 0)
diet and exercise are about improving your over all welling being and health. That does help your body deal with cancer and the various treatments.

If it makes you feel better - do it.
Posted 3/30/2018 5:48 PM (GMT 0)

Michael_T said...
This has made me curious about Michael Milken. Do others know much about his diagnosis and treatment beyond diet?

Milken was diagnosed at age 46, psa 24, Gleason 9, with lymph node involvement but no bone metastases. Besides the diet change he had hormone therapy and radiation through cedars-sinai in LA.
Posted 3/30/2018 8:03 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks Froggy...glad to know he's doing so well after that diagnosis.
Posted 3/31/2018 3:20 AM (GMT 0)
Michael Milken's story was one of the first things I found when I was diagnosed and began researching. I did buy both of his cookbooks and we do make some of his dishes. There are some great things among the recipes. The problem is that most are a bit complicated as in taking allot of planning and preparation if you want to follow the plan that he follows. If you read his books you'll see that he employs a full time personal chef that travels with him wherever he goes. This is wonderful if you are a billionaire as Milken is. For the rest of us a bit short of the funds needed hire a 24/7 personal chef for the rest of our lives, it is more difficult. Not knocking his plan at all, just passing on that it might be difficult to follow it as strictly as he does.

Of course, only God knows if he was "cured" by his medical treatment, or if it is the diet that has kept the PCa away for him. Still, his story encouraged me to drastically change my diet to a modified vegan (I do eat wild caught, cold water fish and small amounts of organic chicken).
Posted 4/1/2018 12:10 PM (GMT 0)
A recent article on Science Daily noted that PCa patients who stuck to a very strict vegan diet and an over-the-top exercise regimen kept their PSA rise rate down for long periods of time. The article also noted that most of us cannot stick to such a strict regimen. I cannot. cry

While my trifecta was unsuccessful, my low doubling time is most likely due to my healthy diet and serious exercise routine, so says my lead doctor.

I have gone to a batch of daily supplements as well, based on published study results. If you search Science Daily for "prostate cancer" you will find those and the related supporting studies.
Posted 4/1/2018 7:25 PM (GMT 0)

npj Precision Oncology journal said...
We also compared the effect on cell survival (using the MTT assay) of the combination of UA with either CUR or RES to a variety of standard care of therapeutic agents used for the treatment of castration-resistant prostate cancer including docetaxel, enzalutamide and abiraterone acetate in mouse HMVP-2 as well as human (PC3 and LNCaP) PCa cell lines. Both combinations of natural compounds showed at least comparable suppression of cell growth/survival (Supplementary Fig. 1) to the standard therapeutic agents.


UA is ursolic acid, a waxy natural chemical found in apple peels and rosemary;
CUR is curcumin, the bright yellow plant compound in turmeric; and
RES is resveratrol, a natural compound common to red grapes or berries.

That's one element - there are others on the dietary side and add in vigorous exercise.

So deal with the cancerous prostate, Dreamer - surgery or radiation - and you've good odds of delaying or averting further spread with diet & exercise. It appears to be working well for a number of us.

Best to you -
Wilderness
Posted 4/2/2018 3:09 AM (GMT 0)
I've read books by both Milken and Ornish. I follow a mostly vegan diet but eat seafood (usually wild salmon) about once a week. I also allow myself a little turkey on holidays. Food studies are difficult to prove but I generally do feel healthier and my cholesterol rate has dropped. I think the best indicators are nations with low rates of prostate cancer such as Japan or Greece. I don't follow too many of Milken's recipes but rather search for vegan meals from East Indian, Mexican and oriental or other ethnic recipes. Even for those who can't go full vegan, you can't go too far wrong by eating more fruit and vegetables and lowering the amount of sugar and processed foods in your diet.
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