OT: I might read this book

Any one read this? It sounds interesting. "The Big Fat Surprise: Why Butter, Meat and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet". It appears to be related to an opinion I have already had on this subject for a number of years. That subject is that the dietary advice that has been pushed on us by government and medical authorities for the last 30-40+ years is just pretty much wrong. I don't think the exercise advice has been particularly wrong, but it certainly has not been enough to overcome the dietary advice. ( do you suppose there were even 1/10th as many busy gyms and joggers on the roads in 1970 as there are these days?) The advice was less fat, more carbs and exercise. Oh, and don't forget the advice to replace butter with trans-fats, that was a good one. The result is far more obese and diabetic than ever before. I wonder how many lives have been lost due to all this increased diabetes? I had a friend die from complications of T2D some months ago. The results makes me at least suspect the advice(almost demands) was just plain wrong. This book appears to agree. Might be interesting:
/smile.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425/ref=smi_www_rco2_go_smi_1405964225?_encoding=UTF8&%2AVersion%2A=1&%2Aentries%2A=0&ie=UTF8

Billybob, I started reading the book but got distracted and never got past the firs 100 pages or so.
The author is a journalist, not a dietitian, but she does a pretty good job of picking apart the theories espoused on us by the establishment.
I believe that she is right to say that it’s not the fat, it’s the carbs. But still, need to be mindful of the type of fats.
The history of how “fat is bad” became gospel, is where the book starts, and it’s an interesting read.

Norm, it's really bad form to edit/delete your post after a moderator has commented on it. 142 has warned you about this in the past and now I'm asking you again to not do this. Mod comments are often not only for you but also for others to see what actions we might be taking.

BTW, I deleted your revised post as well since it still started with a sarcastic question. Please play nice.

Jim

Tudpock18 said...
Norm, it's really bad form to edit/delete your post after a moderator has commented on it. 142 has warned you about this in the past and now I'm asking you again to not do this. Mod comments are often not only for you but also for others to see what actions we might be taking.

I'm a rule-follower. If that's going to be a rule, add it to the Forum Rules.

Opinions on one's "form" belong, in my opinion, elsewhere.

Post Edited (NKinney) : 5/17/2018 2:02:36 PM (GMT-6)

BillyBob@388 said...
Any one read this? It sounds interesting. "The Big Fat Surprise: Why Butter, Meat and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet". It appears to be related to an opinion I have already had on this subject for a number of years. That subject is that the dietary advice that has been pushed on us by government and medical authorities for the last 30-40+ years is just pretty much wrong. I don't think the exercise advice has been particularly wrong, but it certainly has not been enough to overcome the dietary advice. ( do you suppose there were even 1/10th as many busy gyms and joggers on the roads in 1970 as there are these days?) The advice was less fat, more carbs and exercise. Oh, and don't forget the advice to replace butter with trans-fats, that was a good one. The result is far more obese and diabetic than ever before. I wonder how many lives have been lost due to all this increased diabetes? I had a friend die from complications of T2D some months ago. The results makes me at least suspect the advice(almost demands) was just plain wrong. This book appears to agree. Might be interesting:
/smile.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425/ref=smi_www_rco2_go_smi_1405964225?_encoding=UTF8&%2AVersion%2A=1&%2Aentries%2A=0&ie=UTF8

You want my take on diet? We know. Each of us. with our own individual chemistries and biological makeups....we know....we already know...what is good for us and what is not....we know...what it's doing to/for us....and what it's not. We know....it's all "one unit"....(if you will)....and what may be good for one human being maynot be good for another. And what's good for the other...isn't necessarily good for us. And vice-a-versa.

Maybe that's what has the scientific community in such a state of flux....contridictiding itself...time and time again. Yeah...it's scientific ok....but the number in the cohort of usable information is made up of one....the own individual's knowing...and only what individual's knows of....what's best for...his own being.

I think that's as good an explanation as any. And expains alot. Whether we obey what our body is telling us....is up to the individual as to whether they will follow their body's instructions to the rest of their being or not....is up to each individual. Forget about the diets and find YOUR diet. It's not written by others...it's written by your own makeup. Listen to it if you wanna eat what's best for yerself.

The Big Fat Surprise is yet another book in a long line of books that informs the reader that everything you thought you knew about nutrition is wrong: saturated fat from animals is actually quite good for you, cholesterol isn’t really important, the government lied to you, nutritionists and dietitians lied to you, the American Heart Association lied to you, etc… Leaving aside that the concept of that kind of a conspiracy by "the establishment" actually existing is really absurd, what I’m surprised about is that publishers can keep churning out books like this and people are gullible enough to keep buying them.

My suggestion...don't bother with this book. You can do much better. For solid inputs on diet & nutrition, look for the accumulations of evidence, not the one-off wackos with the catchy titles..."attention merchants."

Post Edited (NKinney) : 5/18/2018 10:03:59 AM (GMT-6)

yes...they are wrong....however...we do alot of things that we know to not be in our own best interests. (and justify it in whatever way we can?) If baseball is "America's sport"....then eating is "America's justification".

Eating 3 cups of sugar a day wouldn't be in anyone's best interest health wise. So yeah...there's general principles to go by....(and at the risk of becoming existential....a crisis from which I've yet to escape for the majority of my adult life) Science does know what will kill us....it seems to me...much more clearly than what is good for us?

Yes...that sentence had to have something....but...not knowing what....I would have just put a period and made two out of it. (the kind of thinking that gets a partier though college)

In my opinion....there's people here that's tapping into what's best for their health. (Cashless comes to mind. I believe his cancer is responds to his work "in this field" within his own bodily universe)

I'm unconvinced that BillyBob isn't onto something .... with his predilection towords finding what's right and what's night...for his own being. (He's having a good run....who's to say the cause...and who's to say it won't keep going because of it?)

The obesity of America may not be because we do not know certain things...it may be because we know....and do not care? {smiling]

If I missed an obvious point that Tolstoy's quote addresses my thinking...then please disregard my post lol. (When a man spends his energy trying to learn how to put sentences together....Tolstoy isn't on his radar screen )

Post Edited (island time) : 5/17/2018 6:09:34 PM (GMT-6)

I haven't read that book, but I do remember when everyone thought that fat was bad for you, and I jumped on fat free foods as they became available in the late 1980s. This undoubtedly increased by carb input.

I suppose that book refers to the famous Harvard Sugar Industry bribery scandal that became public a couple years ago:

/www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat

At my doctor's prompting, I've been looking at the Ornish program. The things I've read say that the only thing the two have in common is low-carb. Ornish is a major critic of the Atkins program and Atkins became defensive in return. I haven't really decided yet, but so far I am seeing better clinical and scientific evidence for Ornish.

There's another ultra low carb diet that I've just learned about - the Keto diet.

The train seems to be running full speed towards low carb land.

Andrew