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Posted 5/26/2018 8:18 PM (GMT 0)

Pratoman said...
So Andrew, let me ask you a hypothetical....
the dessert comes out. Fudge brownies, chocolate eclairs, marble cake, blueberry muffins, chocolate chip cookies , Krispy Kreme glazed donuts and......apples.

I for one believe in a balanced diet. I would have one each of the brownies and eclairs and ask if the host could pack me a bag with the donuts and muffins so that I could have them for breakfast. I would put an apple in my pocket and have it with my lunch the next day. I would skip the cookies and cake...I don't want to appear greedy.

Jim
Posted 5/26/2018 8:34 PM (GMT 0)
Gemlin:

The "Eat a healthy diet." thing sort of begs the question. What constitutes a "healthy" diet is the subject of some debate (we're on our fifth sixth page on this thread) and the answer seems to vary from person to person and year to year.

But of course they are right. There is a healthy diet out there for each of us -- a sort of unknowable platonic ideal. We try to guess what it is and try to eat what it dictates, and if we die before our time, then maybe we guessed wrong.
Posted 5/26/2018 9:54 PM (GMT 0)
Germlyn and pratoman
I agree with both of you. I have been doing so for so many years even before
I got sick. Before I got sick, I was doing p90x(workout program) and I felt like a million
Dollars and bam, I get sick. So the article might be true but not necessarily doable, may
Be for some, who knows smile
Posted 5/30/2018 3:22 PM (GMT 0)
It is interesting that the “healthy diet” containing omega 3, vitamin k2, tomatos, green tea and other fruits and vegetables are being actively investigated for their anti-angiogenesis properties in cancer. Maybe that is more important than other nutritional benefits. Your mom was right eat your veggies.
Posted 7/14/2018 11:11 PM (GMT 0)
Think about how early man ate. He ate whatever was available he could stomach. In the winter, he just might have eaten a keto diet since there weren't many carbs available. There is some thought that in eating with the seasons, we are eating the right foods at the right time in the right light cycles to be at our healthiest. Could it be that by eating a keto diet in the winter, early man was killing off cancer cells?

I would add walking 6 miles a day and a cancer diet to my treatment plan. Whether it is a vegetarian diet or a keto diet, both seem to have benefit. It's much of the stuff that lies between vegetarian and keto that seems to cause the problems.

I don't know if all the proton sites do this, but I know several of them do diet counseling, promote exercise, and teach meditation skills to their prostate patients. I would think this could be a benefit to all of us.
Posted 7/15/2018 9:22 PM (GMT 0)
What the "Harvard scientists say these 5 things can prolong your life by a decade" is nothing new. I took a human biology class in my undergrad back in the 70s and we did a family health history project. I learned something I'd not paid attention to, that is, that 90% of the family dies from cardio-vascular disease. When looking a risk factors outside genetics those "5 things" stood out. I decided to embrace them, took a college class in nutrition, change my diet (lacto-ovo vegetarian leaning toward vegan) and got interested in exercise. Weight took care of itself, I've never smoked, and as for alcohol, outside of a few craft beers per week I don't drink.

When I was diagnosed last February, all the doctors I encountered commented how my lifestyle would payoff because I was in such good shape. While it was major surgery, it has been more an inconvenience than anything else. I was back on the pool swimming laps about 6-weeks after surgery and got back to running about 3 weeks ago doing a 6-miler yesterday.

I may not live longer but I hope to live better.

YMMV
Posted 7/16/2018 1:14 PM (GMT 0)

Subdenis said...
I have been a pescatarian for about 20 years. I shifted to vegan soon after diagnosis and quickly gained 15 pounds. I was eating a lot of carbs. I am now back to pescatarian and lost the weight. I like the saying that a heart-healthy diet is a good prostate diet.

I have, for over a month, been trying to get the time and energy to start a new thread titled something like "exactly what is a heart healthy diet?". Based on our daughters recent experience finally losing 30+ lbs by finally eating in a way that I had been telling her to for years. Maybe I will do that later today. Or not.

But in the meantime, I still feel that some day, it will be confirmed that it is- maybe more than anything else- all about the insulin. Blood insulin produced by the body, that is. I'm pretty sure the diet in this study did little to reduce insulin, and might have even increased it. Just a guess, of course.
Posted 7/16/2018 2:03 PM (GMT 0)
the never ending thread ...
Posted 7/16/2018 4:28 PM (GMT 0)

InTheShop said...
the never ending thread ...

I've seen worse. Haven't you? This one is only since May(some come back to life after years), and only 132 responses. ADT and SRT Journey part 3 has 229.

For some reason, I think I have only just seen this thread. I am scrolling through it right now to see if I have already commented in past months.
Posted 7/16/2018 4:31 PM (GMT 0)
maybe the thread should have been titled, "The Diet Journey."
Posted 7/16/2018 4:39 PM (GMT 0)

InTheShop said...
TA,
Yes, lots of reasons to be suspicious of the plan and it's side effects (some seem down right dangerous).

The reason I've even considering it is that the low fat diet the doctor has had me on for the last ten years has resulted in consistent weight gain (up nearly 40 lbs), increased triglycerides, and near diabetic levels of blood sugar. She suspects metabolic syndrome and if I don't loss weight or bring my blood sugar levels down, I'll be on medication in a few years.

I'm already grouchy and irritable.

It's not for everyone and I am not 100% sure it will work for me or that I can tolerate it, but what I'm doing now isn't working. Got to try something. If not full keto, than at least increase fat and reduce carbs.

and I'm tried of salad and yogurt for lunch, everyday ...

Andrew

I don't think your experience is uncommon. Hence, the reason I am going to start that new thread on this general subject about so called heart healthy diets. And the damage some of these have caused. Hopefully you have not yet advanced to the stage of not only needing meds in geneal, but insuin specifically. Just think of the millions out there who treat a condition characterized by high blood insulin/ aka hperinsulemia
by injecting more insulin. No wonder so many of us are obese, pre or actual diabetic and hypertensive. And who told us to eat that way?
Posted 7/16/2018 4:57 PM (GMT 0)
You might want to check this book out: The World Turned Upside Down: The Second Low-Carbohydrate Revolution, by Richard David Feinman

Feinman is a biochemist and explains in detail why so much our current thinking on nutrition is wrong and not based on real science. I just finished reading it and found his work to make sense.

His book shows that the current obesity epidemic is due to bad public health policies and a blatant ignorance of basic biochemistry.

Andrew
Posted 7/16/2018 7:48 PM (GMT 0)

InTheShop said...
You might want to check this book out: The World Turned Upside Down: The Second Low-Carbohydrate Revolution, by Richard David Feinman

Feinman is a biochemist and explains in detail why so much our current thinking on nutrition is wrong and not based on real science. I just finished reading it and found his work to make sense.

His book shows that the current obesity epidemic is due to bad public health policies and a blatant ignorance of basic biochemistry.

Andrew

Thx for the tip!
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