Diet results

I'm now 6 months into a vegan diet, inspired by cashless and others.

For reference, I'm 10 years post surgery and 5 years post SRT. My psa had gone to <0.014 both times but had come back. In February it was 0.144 and my doubling time had been about 9 months. Being out of cures I visited Johns Hopkins and had genetic tests done that identified a mutation that likely caused my cancer, and a clinical trial that targets that mutation but I would not qualify until my psa got to 1.0.

Back to diet, I switched from a typical American diet to a mediterranean vegan no soy diet heavy in olive oil, tomato, and fish last April. I also began supplements for which there is clinical evidence that they may slow down PSA. I chose Pomi-T and Modified Fruit Pectin.

Here are my 9 month results.

1 Feb 2018 0.144
26 April 2018 0.194
3 May 2018 0.211
20 July 2018 0.224

Looks to me like my psa really slowed down after April, about the time of my diet change. Did the diet do it? I don't know. Am I going to stay on it? You bet. At this point I'm hoping to never qualify for the clinical trial.

I don’t know if the diet did it either, but I too would stay the course.

Continued luck for slowing it down!

slow is good.

keep it going.

Andrew

Good luck and stay the course!

Yep, stick with what works, as long as it appears to do so. We don't need no stinkin RCTs, not when you are your own RCT! ;) Did anything else keep it from rising for such a period? So maybe the diet did, maybe it didn't, but the negative SEs seem low!

Sorry, made a mistake. My T now is 660

Ak123 said...
Reachout, I am so glad the cashless diet worked for you. I TOTALLY believe in it
But unfortunately it didn’t work for me. I have been trying it since last November
Or so. For the last 3 months and since you couldn’t do the oat meal in the
Morning, I switched and ate my lunch(hummus, salad) in the morning as
Per cashless suggestion and I skipped lunch all together and ate only
2 meals a day. I am doing something wrong but have no ideas what and
It’s so frustrating to me. I just got my psa yesterday and it went up to .36
I left weight and my T went up to 560. when my psa was .22, my T was around
400. Is there a correlation there, I don’t know. I say away from sugar spikes
Always. You mentioned tacco veggies, aren’t you worried about the bread ?
I was also on Pomi T months ago but nothing works for me.

I'm sorry to hear you are not having the success that some seem to have.Although, there is no real way to know if it helps or hurts any one person. If the #s stop going up or head down, then we can at least say "well, that does not appear to have hurt and might even have helped, so might as well continue". But if it keeps going up, how can we be sure it would not have gone up a lot faster with a different diet?

How much vitamin D do you take, if any?(EDIT: and Vitamin K2 if any?) That may sound ridiculous to ask considering a recent RCT looking at once a month megadoses of vitamin D(as opposed to smaller daily doses) andfinding it useless, but at least it showed no harm even with those megadoses, and there are some other RCTs showing excellent results with breast cancer and a few other conditions, like diabetes and metabolic syndrome. So my G9 self is not quite ready to write it off yet, maybe later.

I suppose you get plenty of raw broccoli in this diet? I say raw because cooking much at all tends to destroy the enzyme in the broc that releases the sulforaphane, the good stuff. This tends to be destroyed in frozen broc as well. But, if you boil the broc no more than 30 secs or steam 3-4 minutes max, it actually tends to release even more of the good stuff. (or add the enzyme myrosinase contained in other foods like cole slaw, dicon radish, mustard powder(1/4 teaspoon) etc.

If you just can not get the results you want with your current approach, have you considered- rather than going vegy- simply going to a ketogenic diet, with plenty of fat and just adequate protein and very little carb? Combined with some version of intermittent fasting? Or, if that is not appealing, maybe just whatever diet you like but adding intermittent fasting, if not already doing so? (you probably are!)

Especially if you use any form of heart burn/reflux medicine anyway, have you considered cimetidine, an old, over the counter heart burn drug? It works by blocking histamine. There have been some associations with lower histamine and lower colon cancer. And, as always, colon cancer is not PC. But, if you take any heart burn meds anyway? I'm not saying I know any of the above will help, but seems unlikely to hurt and you never really know. As always, ask your docs for safety reasons!
/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22944376
/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15816467

Last, you might also want to research a supplement that works much like metformin(unless you are already on metformin, of course- but either way, ask your docs about it) Berberine
mct.aacrjournals.org/content/5/2/296.long

All of the above may be totally worthless, but then again some of it-as well as what Reachout mentioned- might be worth researching.

Post Edited (BillyBob@388) : 8/10/2018 10:14:17 AM (GMT-6)

Thank you all guys for your comments, I truly appreciate them.
Reachout, I have never heard of modified fruit pectin, I stayed away from
Fruit all together so I don’t spike insulin. billybob, in a nutshell I do intermittent fasting, I stop
Eating at 6 pm and eat breasts 10 am next morning. I am allover the place.
All my blood work is very good except the psa. I am actually thinking
Of giving up about the diet now( I will stay vegan ofcourse for other health reasons) but
Trying to forget about controlling the psa. I don’t walk anymore but
Lift weights about 5 times a week. I don’t eat oatmeal and have
My lunch instead in the morning ( hummus, salad and falafel baked,
Which is just chick peas anyways), no lunch and I eat dinner which is vegan
, no sugars, no bread. The problem with these diets is there is no blue prints
To follow.
Cashless, I weigh now 145 pounds, 5 9. I don’t want to loose anymore weights
My lipid panel is very good. My sugar non fasting is 79. I feel good. I used to eat soy
But not all the time. I don’t eat raspberries. My stomach started to bother me
From all the ginger and green tea I was consuming so I stopped both.
My T level went up to 660 for the last 3 months since I started to lift weights and also
The psa. I can’t imagine what my MO will ask me to do when I see him at
End of month, I am afraid he starts the ADT.

Pratoman, you guessed right . I meant breakfast ofcourse . I saw my MO
once in April and asked me to get an mri. I did the mri but haven’t got
The results yet. I am seeing him at end of this month and am very worried that
Is one of those doctors that starts it early. I hope he starts ADT as late as possible
He told me last time in April that he does not want to overtreat. I was
Hoping I can slow the psa down by following cashless diet but failed alto
I believe it’s the best approach

Ak here is the report on modified citrus pectin in case you want to try it. I use Econugenics Pecta sol C. If you do use it, it's hard to dissolve. I put it in a cup of warm tea and use an inexpensive frother to mix it. It sounds crazy but the way it's supposed to work is to make the cancer cells slippery so they can't accumulate as well.
http://ascopubs.org/doi/abs/10.1200/JCO.2017.35.15_suppl.e16588

Post Edited (reachout) : 8/11/2018 3:03:24 PM (GMT-6)

Tarhossier,
I have been on plant based diet and no dairy( fish once a week) for almost
3 years now. I have seen the results and the prove it works from every
Angle. I don’t need any RCT to tell me anything. I see it in my body, blood work
And energy. The only problem I am having is I can’t make it control the
Psa rise. I know the diet works. I am doing something wrong but just
Can’t have my finger on it in terms of slowing the psa