Any of you ever have a near death experience during surgery?

No out of body experiences, but the exhilaration of believing that death was likely. Both involving water. Once as s kid in a pool and then as an adult in an ocean riptide. The riptide experience is etched in my mind. Never been in water above my knees since.

Billy, I've had preminations like that thousands of times, and they never came true. The ones that never happen, you forget. The ones you rember are the ones that came true, only because they are so rare. That's how our brains work.

mattamx said...
No out of body experiences, but the exhilaration of believing that death was likely. Both involving water. Once as s kid in a pool and then as an adult in an ocean riptide. The riptide experience is etched in my mind. Never been in water above my knees since.

That reminds me of when my aunt tossed me in a base pool, thinking I would swim. I didn't. I just sank to the bottom, wondering why she did that. Somebody dragged me out and got me breathing again. Might have been 5?

John T said...
Billy, I've had preminations like that thousands of times, and they never came true. The ones that never happen, you forget. The ones you rember are the ones that came true, only because they are so rare. That's how our brains work.

Well, I suppose that might be an explanation, and maybe you have had those, but I can't say I have. I can't say I normally- or maybe even ever- am kept awake at night dreaming of being trapped in an avalanche on a specific slope that I am planning on skiing the next day. Or for that matter, it would be extremely rare for me to be kept awake by nightmares about anything. A dream like that, and lasting long enough(or repeating) enough to interfere with my sleep and make me late for skiing, would be a truly rare(virtually nonexistent) occurrence for me. Then to add in the sheer massive coincidence(?) that the very slope(of dozens available to me, and hundreds in the country) just happens to have a slide, which I would have at least been there to witness if I had not turned around and cancelled the drive(and maybe even been trapped in the slide myself), is just too great of a "coincidence" for me to ignore. But, of course, you may be right, I can't prove otherwise.

BTW, I just looked back at the link to the report details, and I notice that the slide occurred at about 1500 hrs. It was about 1400 hrs when I decided it was crazy to be going skiing and buying a lift ticket this late in the day, when they would be closing day skiing at about 1600 hours. about half way there, would have been on the slopes within 30 minutes- If I had not cancelled my plans, I would have either been on that same slope skiing, or on the chairlift above that slope heading up in order to ski back down that run. Or possibly observing the slide from the chairlift. But I was not there because the night before I dreamed of an avalanche trapping me on that very slope, lost sleep and got a way late start.

Coincidence? Maybe.

Post Edited (BillyBob@388) : 11/10/2018 9:48:46 PM (GMT-7)

I had a 4x bypass over a decade ago. After 7 hours on the table I was lying in the ICU. They had to keep pumping blood into me since I was losing it slowly. After it failed to subside - the surgeon told me he had to take me downstairs again and open me back up. I wasn't about to argue with him. I just told him "well, you gotta do what you gotta do" and went along for the ride. I was on the table for another 3 hours. During that time I had the most morbid nightmare of my life. I honestly thought I died and went to hell. It was like entering Dante's Inferno. I was surrounded by a group of the ugliest half-human half-animal monsters you could imagine. Actually there was no fire. More like a canyon with a stream of filthy water running down the center with these monsters on both sides. Man, was I ever happy to wake up in the ICU even though I was in a lot of pain. If I had a tail I would've wagged it. The surgeon told me one of the clips that held my chest together caused the bleeding. At that point he could've told me anything. I shook his hand. I was just happy to be alive. No ugly experience with my RALP. They had to keep me in the hospital for 3 days due to low BP. Other than that I was good to go.

BillyBob -

Your fascinating account of precognition of the avalanche incident supports the notion, as do so many other accounts of similar events reported in the past, that something is indeed going on in the realm of future cognition, however we may wish to define that.

It got me to do a little googling, and, to my surprise I found that there seem to be very few scientific models, or even good guesses for that matter, that even attempt to explain this phenomenon.

So, just for fun, I'm going to offer a model, based on a few principles of physics, that suggests how it may happen. A model that occurred to me after reading your post about the avalanche and then thinking about it for a while.

(I know, I know, this is starting to get a bit far afield from PCa, or even cancer in general for that matter, but I will be brief, and just think of it as a sort of late Friday Fun Fact -- or a late Friday Fun Guess in this case. I'm offering it now just for fun).

Okay, here goes. Most events occurring in nature generate and send out various forms of electromagnetic radiation (EMR). It's sent out in every direction, like ripples going out from a stone tossed into water, at the speed of light. Suppose also that information about the event can be coded into the EMR (as by variations in EMR wavelength, intensity, frequency, etc.). So conditions projecting, for example, that an avalanche is imminent (amount of snow build-up, looseness of the snow, wind factors, etc.) are physically programmed into an EMR wave that is sent out following, say, a sudden, small shift in the snow bank, in anticipation of the big avalanche soon to come. As this wave then travels outward, it encounters and passes harmlessly through the bodies, including the brains, of people. For 99+ percent of people there is no effect. But a very small number of people have a kind of "sixth sense," such that their subconscious minds can intercept and decode the information on the EMR wave, in this case the information on the EMR wave about the conditions, forcing the conclusion, that an avalanche is imminent. And if the information just happens to reveal that a threat to that individual is also imminent, then that person's subconscious mind transmits a warning to his conscious mind, in the form of a feeling of fear and danger, and that there is a situation to be avoided.

So much nonsense? Quite possibly. But at the same time it's a model, and, who knows, might even someday be shown to resemble reality.

But for now it's just offered as a fun idea to be added to the conversation.