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Posted 1/8/2017 12:52 PM (GMT 0)
From the study cited:


"Cannabis has not been studied clinically as a treatment for malignancy. Unfortunately, many claims of “curative” benefits of cannabis (fresh buds, dried cannabis, or “oil” products) can be found on the Internet, extrapolating the results of preclinical work to humans without any basis in fact. The only clinical study published to date that used cannabinoids enrolled patients with glioblastoma multiforme and was based on extensive preclinical work by the same investigators. Their small study (9 patients) showed the safety of intracranial administration of thc and demonstrated antiproliferative effects in some of the patients. All patients eventually progressed and died, but not because of any effects of the extract."

OK paper, but it has a couple of errors and omissions. The bottom line for us is the above quote. I have previously noted this particular study. The other, actual medical benefits listed are pretty much well known.
Posted 1/8/2017 10:52 PM (GMT 0)
trail guy,
Good breakdowns. Thanks for sharing.

I think the true benefits of cannabinoids is in the treatment of symptoms that arise from treatment. With a basic statement: If it improves your quality of life then it works to some degree. If it does not, there are still other harmful effects that are not fully understood that would make it a questionable decision to continue it.

I have seen many presentations on Integrative Oncology covering the topic. It is considered a CAM (Complimentary Alternative Medicine) but not considered to have any value oncologically. To that end clinical trials are needed and they would not be cheap. Unfortunately, with no private stakeholder, public funding would be the only way to conduct such a trial and the NCI has other priorities.

To some degree I believe there are benefits for its use in prostate cancer. But I do not believe that stuff on the internet that says it will cure it.
Posted 1/9/2017 11:41 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks Tony, and you're welcome. smile

I agree that it has medicinal applications and use it myself for those. If it cured cancer I would be one of the top cheerleaders and advocates, but those studies have not been done yet.....
Posted 1/9/2017 3:42 PM (GMT 0)
cures cancer?? ...... buhahahaha!!!!
Posted 1/9/2017 4:54 PM (GMT 0)
You're correct Jack never heard of it as a cure however if it helps with some of the side effects from meds PC patients go through than I say why not use it oh and in fairness I have never used it for any reason
What say you Jack H
Jack
Posted 1/9/2017 5:04 PM (GMT 0)
Hope4all, I completely agree that cannabis products may offer some effective relief from chemotherapy side effects...completely different topic than "cure"
Posted 1/9/2017 5:15 PM (GMT 0)
Jack I'm 100% behind you on that never have read anything about cure and I sincerely hope no one uses this as there first line cure
Jack
Posted 1/10/2017 6:04 AM (GMT 0)
The original poster, gwirfs, has not come back in response to 31 posts prompted by his inquiry. I do hope gwirfs is still around because there has been much wisdom shared in this thread. I recently had a dear friend's sister, who practices complementary medicine, extol the virtues of CBD so I took a spin through the scientific literature and came to the same conclusions as others here: there is no evidence that cannabinoids can cure prostate cancer in humans. There is enough evidence to recommend further research of cannabinoids and that's it, for now. Meanwhile there are many other treatments that have rigorously demonstrated survival value. gwirfs says he is going to Dr. Scholz for his first checkup in 3 years. He reported having had a PSA score of 23 back in his first post to this forum in 2014 so perhaps he doesn't have prostate cancer or something he's doing is keeping his PSA from taking off, whether it's the cannabis oil or not. I hope gwirfs will come back and share Dr. Scholz's take with us after his checkup so that we all can learn.

Ted Kaptchuk at Harvard has done some very interesting research on the power of placebos and it may well be that cannabis oil enhanced with a belief in cannabis oil may, in fact, affect cancer progression. Ted Kaptchuk is an American author, researcher, and Professor of Medicine and Professor of Global Health and Social Medicine at Harvard Medical School and an old acquaintance from the 1970s whom I had completely lost track of until his work at Harvard was described in a New Yorker profile. I find it hard to believe that the placebo effect could account for a PSA that stayed in the 20s for 3 years.
Posted 1/27/2019 7:47 PM (GMT 0)
Bump. I was going to ask about CBD oil and found this thread from two years ago.

I have a cannabis card and can buy the real CBD, not the stuff made from hemp.

Any updates or further thoughts. Particularly interested in dosage -- this stuff is expensive
Posted 1/27/2019 9:27 PM (GMT 0)
wow....good luck
Posted 1/27/2019 11:55 PM (GMT 0)
My husband is a G9 who had surgery then had to add additional treatments- Lupron shots and now Cassodex and Prolia. He does not have 'visible' mets, but does have significant bone pain (even prior to adding the cassodex and Prolia). He started using CBD oil patches about a year ago to see if it would help him with the pain. It did and suddenly his PSA started dropping, too (it had been rising for 2 years);it has now been undetectable for a year and his bone pain is almost totally gone. He shared with his oncologist about adding CBD oil. His oncologist was so glad he shared! He told hubby that he was a reader for an as-yet unpublished long-term study where results seem to indicate that CBD oil may interfere somehow with cancer's ability to metastasize! Hubby has now switched to CBD oil and uses CBD oil mints once or twice a day. I am now trying the patches to see if they will help my severe eosinophilic cough variant asthma. My pulmonologist told me we were using everything currently available, but I was continuling to have severe asthma flares, so why not try it! I've only been using them for a few days, so no way to tell yet.
Posted 1/28/2019 12:33 AM (GMT 0)
Studies that show CBD can retard, or stop, cancer growth? Really now?

I've a study, just handy, that shows cannabinoids induce cancer cell proliferation. Go figure.

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/64/6/1943.long#sec-10

Post Edited (Buddy Blank) : 1/27/2019 5:36:44 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 1/28/2019 1:43 AM (GMT 0)
A very interesting thread. I take a half tsp or so of my homemade cannabis peanut butter before bed every night to help me sleep but had heard nothing of its anti-cancer properties. That said, I'm more interested in the Neem powder.

Trailguy - fascinating bit of business. I've used Neem oil on - yes - my cannabis plants to repel caterpillars. I had no idea one could ingest it, not to speak of its other useful benefits. Can you share in what form and quantity you've been using it? My urologist seems to be open to complementary treatments and has suggested 3 supplements which I've been taking for a few months (including pomegranate extract). I'll see what he knows about Neem.

Thanks!
Posted 1/29/2019 8:31 PM (GMT 0)
Hello, I have been to this site before in researching my prostate cancer and decided today to register as this topic caught my attention.
I was confirmed/diagnosed sep/2018 with a biopsy that showed 9/12 cores positive and 2 were Gleason 9.
Because I've had a history of marijuana use, one of the first things I did was buy cannabis oil online to start my own alternative treatment immediately.
With the help of Google I decided on a 1/2 gram of oil suppository twice a day for 60 days. I also took and still am taking cbd oil sublingually once a day. My intention was to lower my psa and fight the tumors/lesions I have for two months before starting the cancer clinics recommendation of ADT, while waiting to have my radical prostatectomy surgery scheduled. Well fear took over and I relented to the clinic and had a Zoladex(90 day) injection 2 weeks after starting my cannabis suppositories.
I can add an interesting footnote though. I had bloodwork done the day of my biopsy and my psa was 14.8 and the day of my Zoladex injection I asked for another psa test which resulted in a psa of 11.2. So there was a 2 week timeline where I was on the cannabis oil suppository and cbd oil orally that may have been responsible for lowering my psa number..., or, can it be explained as just a variable in normal psa fluctuation?
I will never know because of course the Zoladex immediately starts to affect your psa. I did continue to take the cannabis oil suppository for the whole 2 months and told my doctor about it, and he was curious but in the end doubtful anything like that would help.
So now going into my fifth month I've had 2 mri's which show my two tumors have shrunk to 1/2 their original size and my psa level was down to .44 on the last blood test in January when I received a 2nd 90 day injection because I am still waiting for a surgery date. I also had a negative bone scan and a negative cat scan so hopefully things stay where they are or get better. Yah, that's how slow things are in Canada getting a surgery. Basically free healthcare but you have to wait.
I take cbd everyday just in case there is something to it.
Posted 1/29/2019 11:28 PM (GMT 0)

thejam said...
Hello, I have been to this site before in researching my prostate cancer and decided today to register as this topic caught my attention.
I was confirmed/diagnosed sep/2018 with a biopsy that showed 9/12 cores positive and 2 were Gleason 9.
Because I've had a history of marijuana use, one of the first things I did was buy cannabis oil online to start my own alternative treatment immediately.
With the help of Google I decided on a 1/2 gram of oil suppository twice a day for 60 days. I also took and still am taking cbd oil sublingually once a day. My intention was to lower my psa and fight the tumors/lesions I have for two months before starting the cancer clinics recommendation of ADT, while waiting to have my radical prostatectomy surgery scheduled. Well fear took over and I relented to the clinic and had a Zoladex(90 day) injection 2 weeks after starting my cannabis suppositories.
I can add an interesting footnote though. I had bloodwork done the day of my biopsy and my psa was 14.8 and the day of my Zoladex injection I asked for another psa test which resulted in a psa of 11.2. So there was a 2 week timeline where I was on the cannabis oil suppository and cbd oil orally that may have been responsible for lowering my psa number..., or, can it be explained as just a variable in normal psa fluctuation?
I will never know because of course the Zoladex immediately starts to affect your psa. I did continue to take the cannabis oil suppository for the whole 2 months and told my doctor about it, and he was curious but in the end doubtful anything like that would help.
So now going into my fifth month I've had 2 mri's which show my two tumors have shrunk to 1/2 their original size and my psa level was down to .44 on the last blood test in January when I received a 2nd 90 day injection because I am still waiting for a surgery date. I also had a negative bone scan and a negative cat scan so hopefully things stay where they are or get better. Yah, that's how slow things are in Canada getting a surgery. Basically free healthcare but you have to wait.
I take cbd everyday just in case there is something to it.

When you had the PSA test on the day of Zoladex injection, and it had dropped from 14.8 to 11.2: was there any other treatment during the 2 weeks prior to Zolodex, other that the CBD oil? I, a G9, had a PSA redone at my URO's office after my 8.1 at the primary doc's office, and 3 weeks later it was up to 10.9.
Posted 1/30/2019 2:52 AM (GMT 0)
HI Billy Bob.Thanks for the reminder, the clinic put me on Bicalutamide for those 2 weeks before the Zoladex injection. I do not know if it's supposed to lower your psa or not.
There is a difference between cbd oil and cannabis oil, I should have elaborated. I took both. The cannabis oil is what is commonly referred to as Rick Simpson oil, basically 95% thc and very psychoactive and probably impossible to ingest 1 gram a day for 60 days, that's why I did it in a suppository. You do not get "high" like smoking or eating it and that is why you can take such a heavy dose which is supposedly necessary to fight/kill cancer.
CBD oil is a non psychoactive component that is extracted and refined from the cannabis oil and is rapidly gaining popularity to treat many medical conditions, epilepsy being the most infamous of many.
I stopped the RSO after 2 months (expensive) but continue the cbd as it has a relaxing effect on me. There are really no negative side effects for the majority of people, and I recommend it to all but again a little pricey.
I'm a bit of a Guinea pig using these but so far I've only had positive outcomes.
I believe nutrition and diet play a much larger part in curing cancer and that is an entirely different topic for discussion.
Posted 1/30/2019 3:22 AM (GMT 0)

2019Guy said...
A very interesting thread. I take a half tsp or so of my homemade cannabis peanut butter before bed every night to help me sleep but had heard nothing of its anti-cancer properties. That said, I'm more interested in the Neem powder.

Trailguy - fascinating bit of business. I've used Neem oil on - yes - my cannabis plants to repel caterpillars. I had no idea one could ingest it, not to speak of its other useful benefits. Can you share in what form and quantity you've been using it? My urologist seems to be open to complementary treatments and has suggested 3 supplements which I've been taking for a few months (including pomegranate extract). I'll see what he knows about Neem.

Thanks!


Hey 2019, I've been taking Neem super critical extract twice a day for the last 3 months but can't tell you if it's accomplishing anything as being on Zoladex masks any natural or herbal remission indicators. They are 8 mg in a 50:1 extract capsule. There are no side effects.

Post Edited (thejam) : 1/29/2019 8:26:39 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 2/2/2019 3:22 AM (GMT 0)
Tommy Chong uses cannabis as his only prostate cancer treatment... and according to Wikipedia has stepped it up now that he has also been diagnosed with colorectal cancer.
Posted 2/2/2019 3:49 AM (GMT 0)

thejam said...

2019Guy said...
A very interesting thread. I take a half tsp or so of my homemade cannabis peanut butter before bed every night to help me sleep but had heard nothing of its anti-cancer properties. That said, I'm more interested in the Neem powder.

Trailguy - fascinating bit of business. I've used Neem oil on - yes - my cannabis plants to repel caterpillars. I had no idea one could ingest it, not to speak of its other useful benefits. Can you share in what form and quantity you've been using it? My urologist seems to be open to complementary treatments and has suggested 3 supplements which I've been taking for a few months (including pomegranate extract). I'll see what he knows about Neem.

Thanks!


Hey 2019, I've been taking Neem super critical extract twice a day for the last 3 months but can't tell you if it's accomplishing anything as being on Zoladex masks any natural or herbal remission indicators. They are 8 mg in a 50:1 extract capsule. There are no side effects.

Thanks, thejam. I intend to look into it!
Posted 2/2/2019 11:28 AM (GMT 0)

Im_Patient said...
Tommy Chong uses cannabis as his only prostate cancer treatment... and according to Wikipedia has stepped it up now that he has also been diagnosed with colorectal cancer.

Chong plays fast and loose with the details of his PCa status. Is he doing active surveillance? Has he had a biopsy? He is hurting other men with prostate cancer, who might (God knows why) listen to him due to his celebrity status, by spreading nonsense about treating it with marijuana. Marijuana does not cured prostate cancer and did not cure Chong.

When he was diagnosed with colorectal cancer he took another route: "Chong took the aggressive approach and had not only surgery to remove the tumor, but chemotherapy and radiation therapy as well to lessen cancer recurrence."

https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/tommy-chong-discusses-cancer-treatment/story?id=31873021

One wonders why Chong didn't just use magic hemp oil to cure the colorectal cancer.
Posted 2/3/2019 12:56 PM (GMT 0)
I took Neem in a powdered leaf form in capsules for quite an extended period of time. It did not affect my PSA reads at all, but It did give me an allergic response (itching rash) so I quit it.

I still use Neem oil on antique furniture, however, as it is a traditional finish for same.

Vaporizer for cannabis (legal here in the D), as it is a quick intervention.
Posted 2/4/2019 4:37 AM (GMT 0)
Buddy, I agree with your point of view. We all have a responsibility to be a positive influence to those who would listen to us.
Glad to hear Tommy is at least being responsible with himself for one of his diagnoses.
Posted 2/4/2019 12:30 PM (GMT 0)
Oh yeah - "These findings indicate that the biological responses to cannabinoids critically depend on drug concentration and cellular context." Is the bottom line in the cited study.

They pre-treated the cancer cells in the study with several chemicals, then exposed them to several synthetic cannabinoids and endocannabinoids (made by your body). At lower treatment levels, delta - 9 tetrahydrocannabinol induced the cancer cells to kill themselves (previous studies have shown this to be the case with some lung cancers) and at higher doses it caused them to proliferate. The vehicle used was smoked cannabis.

A side note I bring up often: inhaling the smoke from burning vegetable material is not good for your health. Smoke contains stuff like carbon monoxide, acetone, styrene, anthracine and carbon particles (soot). It is not good for you, the solvents, plastics and toxins (like the CO) are what gives you the "couch-lock stone", cannabis vapor and 'medibles' do not contain that stuff. If you are going to consume cannabis, keep this in mind and go for a safer alternative than inhaling the smoke from burning material. wink
Posted 2/4/2019 7:45 PM (GMT 0)

trailguy said...
A side note I bring up often: inhaling the smoke from burning vegetable material is not good for your health. Smoke contains stuff like carbon monoxide, acetone, styrene, anthracine and carbon particles (soot). It is not good for you, the solvents, plastics and toxins (like the CO) are what gives you the "couch-lock stone", cannabis vapor and 'medibles' do not contain that stuff. If you are going to consume cannabis, keep this in mind and go for a safer alternative than inhaling the smoke from burning material. wink

And excellent warning, TG. I worry about people like my nephew, who pretty much lives on his pipe (he's in a state where it's legal). I always try to encourage him to go vape. Oh well.
Posted 2/5/2019 6:33 PM (GMT 0)
One cannabinol trial listed at clinical trials.gov starting soon: info HERE
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