2019Guy said...
Buddy Blank said...
The following is from the DEA's fact sheet on Kratom:
How does it affect the body?
- At low doses, increased alertness, physical energy, and talkativeness
- At high doses, sedation
- Addictive: causes hallucinations, delusion, and confusion
- Nausea, itching, sweating, dry mouth, constipation, increased urination, and loss of appetite
- Long-term use can cause anorexia, weight loss, and insomnia
https://www.dea.gov/factsheets/kratom
Ah yes. The DEA's "fact sheet". The fact that Big Pharma can't make a dime off this natural substance will be found nowhere on this list. Disclaimer: I am definitively in the science/medicine camp. I'm not a wide-eyed new age vitamins and supplements and crystals will cure you type. But I also take the word of supposed authorities, especially when they (read: the people who lobby the politicians) have a vested interest in pushing things in a certain direction, with a grain of salt.
One needs to look a bit deeper at kratom, especially when comparing its effectiveness at, for instance, getting people off heroin and other opioids against the 40K+ yearly deaths from abuse of same.
There are reputable scientists doing good work with kratom and I hope their results will reach a large audience. If anyone is curious to read a more balanced viewpoint, try this:
https://www.americankratom.org/follow-the-science.html .........................................................................................................................................................................................
Thanks, David, I will have a look at that link. I try to keep an
open mind about
these things. There is another thread (I'm sure you are aware) going right now having to do with the thousands of deaths that have resulted from an FDA approved drug, leading to bankruptcy of the manufacturer to avoid the lawsuits. But the same FDA that approved that and many other drugs which have proven questionable at best keeps us very well warned about
all non prescript
ion approaches. Interesting that they have recently approved a prescript
ion version of CBD oil. A very expensive one at that. But anyway, this is why I always try to keep an
open mind.
mspt98 said...
Just an aside here, a number of my coworkers are using cbd oil in place of opioids and anti inflammatory meds with great results. I caution all that are still working and subject to drug testing (as I was last week) that supposedly pure cbd oil contains no thc and thus SHOULD NOT cause you to test positive for marijuana. However, if it’s contaminated with thc then your urine may be positive for marijuana.
Personally I will have to avoid these products until I am totally retired and no longer working and subject to drug testing on a whim. And remember it doesn’t matter what state you live in, your employer can require you to be drug free with preemployment and random drug testing.,.
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Well, mspt98, as more than one here reports they saw no benefit from CBD(and I believe them 100%), that is good to hear about
your coworker's great results. In my little trial here, I have MAYBE had fantastic results, I am improved at least 90% ( for now ) from the start of the CBD 2 days ago. (and I had most of that improvement by yesterday. though I did start with heavier doses than I previously used). But I also realize that could be placebo effect, or coincidence. Maybe I was having some sort a severe flare up(actually a steadily worsening one over several weeks) that just coincidentally was going to let up as soon as I started the CBD?
It is certainly possible, and I am aware of that possibility. But, all I can say for sure is: a couple of months ago, starting on a trip to the UK mid June, for several weeks I was not hurting bad at all. Then I ran out and did not bother to replace it, and steadily worsened. Now after taking it again, I am better again, at least for today. So who knows for sure? The pharmacist I talked with says he takes 10 mg at bed time, he just "feels" that, though it does not make him sleepy, it does help him sleep better. He also said they have one lady who buys it who says she has almost weaned herself off of her drugs for severe arthritis pain( not sure if that was osteo or rheumatoid arthritis).
I may stop taking it soon(maybe ;) ) and see what happens, then add it back if I worsen again. Maybe that will provide more evidence for me, in fact it would be good evidence either way. ( sorry, folks, but I do not require RCTs for stuff that has good evidence of safety and appears to work for me. If it is placebo, then I am grateful for the placebo! We will all be dead waiting around for the RCTs )
So thanks again for the heads up about
your coworkers, that is potentially good news. On that same note, I have read that opioid over dose deaths have dropped dramatically in some states which have legalized MJ. If true, that should tell us something useful:
https://drugabuse.com/legalizing-marijuana-decreases-fatal-opiate-overdoses/Somebody said...
According to the American Academy of Pain Medicine, more than 100 million Americans suffer from chronic pain. In an effort to relieve that constant pain, the number of opiate prescriptions has nearly doubled over the last decade. Today, opiates like hydrocodone, oxycodone, and morphine flood the streets, driving up addiction rates and fatal opiate overdoses.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has officially labeled the problem an “opiate epidemic.” As experts scramble to come up with a plan that combats the nation’s dependence on opiates, a new study published last week in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine indicates medical marijuana might be the key.
Over the past two decades, deaths from drug overdoses have become the leading cause of injury death in the United States. In 2011, 55 percent of drug overdose deaths were related to prescription medications; 75 percent of those deaths involved opiate painkillers. However, researchers found that opiate-related deaths decreased by approximately 33 percent in 13 states in the following six years after medical marijuana was legalized.
“The striking implication is that medical marijuana laws, when implemented, may represent a promising approach for stemming runaway rates of nonintentional opioid-analgesic-related deaths,” wrote opiate abuse researchers Dr. Mark S. Brown and Marie J. Hayes in a commentary published alongside the study...................Researchers looked at medical marijuana laws and death certificate data in all 50 states between the years of 1999 and 2010. During that time, only 13 states had medical marijuana laws in place. Researchers quickly noticed that the rates of fatal opioid overdoses were significantly lower in states that had legalized medical marijuana. In 2010 alone, states with legalized medical marijuana saw approximately 1,700 fewer opiate-related overdose deaths.
“We found there was about a 25 percent lower rate of prescription painkiller overdose deaths on average after implementation of a medical marijuana law,” lead study author Dr. Marcus Bachhuber said.
Marijuana and Chronic Pain
about 60 percent of the nation’s fatal opioid overdoses occur among patients who have legitimate prescriptions for their medications. In states where medical marijuana is legal, however, a legitimate opiate user is able to significantly decrease his or her dosage, making overdose less likely.
I hope that above link and quote is allowed? I don't want to step off into politics. I just want to discuss legal, non-prescript
ion items that might help pain.
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