Poll Covid-19 vs HWPC members and supplements

I'm going to try and do an unscientific poll, which I am bound to screw up. I do every time. But we are all looking forward to the vaccines resulting in life getting back to normal. But I am wondering: HWPC folks are extremely well informed about such matters as CV-19 vs Vitamin D and C, zinc, etc. My hunch is that most of us here do at least one of these things hoping to minimize our chance of infection from CV-19( or flu!), or, if infected, to minimize the damage. If so, I am wondering how that has worked out for you so far?

But our numbers (of regular posters) are so small that it is going to be impossible to even start to draw any conclusions about whether that helped or not. But, I figure if any of Y'all are like me, you have not kept this to yourselves, especially regarding loved ones and friends. I have told a lot of people about these things. Including an anesthesiologist last Sunday, a younger guy I used to work with for many years. He had never heard about any of this. But, he was very interested and his wife was taking notes as we talked.

So, if you do some of these things, and have told family or any other folks and you think that they have been doing the same as you, then include what you know about them and if they followed your advice and how they have done during 10 months of CV-19 crises.

There are so many variables here that it is going to be impossible to get them all within the limited number of options in the poll. For ex: Have you been taking D? If so, how much? For how long? What about C? How much? How long? And zinc? And things reputed to work like hydroxychloroquine by getting zinc out of the blood and into the cells where the virus is, like Quercetin? If all or some of the above, how did you do? Did you get it? If you got it, how bad and how long? If bad sick, did you manage to end up in one of those critical care hospitals where they give methyprednisolone with IV vitamin C? If so, how did it go?

Lots of variables. So as always, fill in with details and opinions in comments. I'm going to try the poll, but I'm sure it will fall short in many areas. And after I have posted it, I will see several things I should have asked, or worded differently.

Post Edited (BillyBob@388) : 11/22/2020 2:33:25 PM (GMT-7)

In 3 weeks there will be people dying in the halls of hospitals and being turned away for treatment. If you are relying on vitamins you are putting yourself a grave risk.

For me: vitamin D, zinc, and low-dose aspirin.

Great poll Bill. Thank you.

You are welcome, Buddy. I'm assuming you are in the "no Covid" category?

Folks, because the participants of this poll will probably be so few in number, don't forget to include your family and friends in the results IF you know them.

For example, do you know some one who was taking several thousand of D per day, even before CV-19 hit us, and they came down with it anyway? Even more important, did they get a bad case, or even die? How about other supplements, like zinc, C or melatonin? If you can't fit that into the poll for some reason, then just comment here.

Thanks for your participation, comments and thoughts.

F8 said...
how come hydroxychloroquine isn't on the list?

I'm just guessing, but perhaps because it isn't an over the counter med?

My wife and I follow the Dr. Fauci Covid prevention steps, the1-2-3 waltz: (1) Wear a mask (2) Social distance (3) Avoid crowds I take a 2,000 IU Vitamin D supplement daily and get the RDA for Vitamin C and Zinc. I've done this for many years

No Covid in our family, including our physician daughter.

Post Edited (Tim G) : 11/23/2020 4:09:37 PM (GMT-7)

I, too, wish Dr. Fauci would say something, but I fear my worst fears were right about Dr. Fauci: he puts politics ahead of human lives.

<< I, too, wish Dr. Fauci would say something, but I fear my worst fears were right about Dr. Fauci: he puts politics ahead of human lives. >>

BB, are you quoting the President, or did you come up with that on your own?

For me, 2,000 IU Vitamin D.
Not sure if Lupron counts. 😉

Tim G said...
That's about 179 degrees from the truth. Maybe you're confusing him with the politician in charge of the Coronavirus Task Force.

No, it is dead on the money, and the ONLY reason we've a vaccine, that is said to be ready to be deployed December 11th, or so, is because of the politician in charge of the Coronavirus Task Force. Never forget that.

Come on now Billy B, you know better than that. 🙂

Of course I'm referring to BG (formerly BB). Is he supposed to be Rudy Giuliani now?

Buddy Giulani said...

Tim G said...
That's about 179 degrees from the truth. Maybe you're confusing him with the politician in charge of the Coronavirus Task Force.

No, it is dead on the money, and the ONLY reason we've a vaccine, that is said to be ready to be deployed December 11th, or so, is because of the politician in charge of the Coronavirus Task Force. Never forget that.

You're sounding like a politician. Would you be ever so kind and explain yourself.

I can answer affirmatively to more than one of those statements. 1) I know at least 1 person who did nothing and died from covid. 2) I know at least 1 person taking Vitamin C and D who died from covid. I know several people who took supplements (including zinc) who have had mild or moderate or severe cases of covid. I know several people who were not taking supplements who have had mild or moderate or severe cases of covid. My daughter is in her final rotation for her Masters of Clinical Psychology, and therefore has to visit our local jail several times per week to meet with clients. She's been taking zinc, vitamin D, and vitamin C. She was infected, most likely at the jail, since there was a major outbreak there. She's been on oxygen support for several days now (young and otherwise healthy). Her husband (several pre-existing conditions), who did not take supplements also has covid, but he's having a very mild case. I said all that to say this: there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason as to who gets sick and/or how sick they get. At least that's been my experience.

RandyJoe said...
I can answer affirmatively to more than one of those statements. 1) I know at least 1 person who did nothing and died from covid. 2) I know at least 1 person taking Vitamin C and D who died from covid. I know several people who took supplements (including zinc) who have had mild or moderate or severe cases of covid. I know several people who were not taking supplements who have had mild or moderate or severe cases of covid. My daughter is in her final rotation for her Masters of Clinical Psychology, and therefore has to visit our local jail several times per week to meet with clients. She's been taking zinc, vitamin D, and vitamin C. She was infected, most likely at the jail, since there was a major outbreak there. She's been on oxygen support for several days now (young and otherwise healthy). Her husband (several pre-existing conditions), who did not take supplements also has covid, but he's having a very mild case. I said all that to say this: there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason as to who gets sick and/or how sick they get. At least that's been my experience.

Thank you, RandyJoe! Excellent data! Your personal experiences certainly provide no support for the concept of improving odds by taking any supplement. Based on your experience, all I am left with is my own personal experience- which is limited to infectious respiratory diseases that I(and family) used to get frequently, and very rarely do now. Obviously I can not say about Covid, since I did not used to get Covid a couple of times a year, so nothing to compare to. So based on what you wrote re: Covid vs supplements, all have to go on is the data from multiple studies. Both observational and a very few controlled trials.

Of course, none of these studies that I know of, except possibly for one, indicate a 100% guarantee for anything. It is just a matter of the odds apparently being vastly improved. The only 100% that I know of was observational, and that was only for those under age 75 who were sick enough for ICU, 100% insufficient D. Also, a couple of small trials where there were zero deaths(so 100% survived) in the group given D, but there were deaths in the other group. As well as a much higher rat of ICU admission in the groups that got no D. But mostly no guarantees, only improved odds. Even though often improved by a lot.

But again, outside of a controlled trial, there are so many variables. What was taken, how much, and when? I don't suppose you know any more details about the 1 person taking Vitamin C and D who died from Covid? Like when they started taking D and C? How much? Prexisting conditions? And I am assuming they got no IV vitamin C, since few do?

I appreciate the detail you supplied even though your personal experience provides no reason to take anything.

Post Edited (BillyBob@388) : 11/24/2020 7:52:10 AM (GMT-7)