OT-COVID-Just because your vaccinated.....

Stephen S said...
I disagree with the notion that those that got the “natural” vaccination (became ill with the virus) are doing worse than the vaxed….simply because we really have no way of knowing what variant a person had when they originally became ill.

compiler said...
Perhaps I am misreading (not understanding) your comment? Do you perchance mean those who got ill with the virus and recovered?

Yeah my point was that if you had previously been ill with the virus, and survived, your antibodies were obtained the "natural" way (the original infection).

clocknut said...
I worked for the Navy in public affairs. Our office published the base newspaper. We would every week print guidance from the safety department: wear seatbelts, don't smoke, watch out for black ice and so on.
It eventually occurred to me that this type of guidance (e.g., get vaxed) doesn't work because the appeal is generally to the rational side of the mind, whereas many people live their lives using the other side of their brain....the side that governs actions emotionally rather than rationally or logically.
You can present every logical argument to a smoker, and they will not quit. The rational side of their brain knows that smoking is illogical and dangerous, but their "will" is not engaged, so they continue to smoke.
When it comes to getting the COVID vaccine, these people hear the rational, logical arguments, but it's not their practice to live according to logic and reason. They hear, but their will, their emotional side, leads them in the other direction or prevents them from doing what the rational side of their brain tells them is the right thing, the smart thing, the correct thing to do.
Most of us follow the science and get vaccinated, but a significant number of people are simply not moved or persuaded by science or logic. They "feel" that they know better.
Human beings are complicated and strange creature.

far fewer people smoke today than when i was a smoker, and i smoked for 23 years. also, most people wear seatbelts today. there are a variety of reasons why this is so (laws, price etc) but you cant tell me that overtime after the initial resistance most rational people have to come to understand that smoking and not buckling up is hazardous to your health

I think full FDA approval of the vaccines will be helpful to the extent that I think more businesses and jurisdictions will be able to justify putting vaccine mandates in place. But for the people that are waiting for full FDA approval to be vaccinated? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that full approval won't change very many of their minds. They'll just find another excuse to remain un-vaccinated.

Stephen:

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Yeah my point was that if you had previously been ill with the virus, and survived, your antibodies were obtained the "natural" way (the original infection).
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Thanks for the clarification. So, are you implying that someone is better off getting antibodies the "natural" way. (Actually, aren't both ways natural: your body reacts to the injection material or the Covid and creates antibodies). But the major flaw in your whole argument is that getting Covid is one heckuva way to get your immunity. You might die or be left with a lifetime of debilitating symptoms. Why such resistance to getting the shot?

Mel

Stephen S said...

Mel said...
Thanks for the clarification. So, are you implying that someone is better off getting antibodies the "natural" way.

Nope I was arguing that if you got the antibodies the natural way it is at least equivalent to a shot.

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once again, nope....

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/why-covid-19-vaccines-offer-better-protection-than-infection.html

Another friend tested positive yesterday, vaccinated. She’s ok. My wife was at her (outdoor) birthday party 10 days ago.
It just feels like every few days someone else we know tests positive.

Pratoman said...

....It just feels like every few days someone else we know tests positive.

Sorry Ken, but we can't make it over for dinner any time soon ;-)

I'm about 90% sure I'm going for a Moderna booster this afternoon, at Walmart, before the Fed announcement this afternoon, and the rush begins.

I heard a podcast (can't remember which one, maybe This American Life), in which a focus group of vaccine resistant people listened to a number of experts and other people who tried to convince them to get the vaccine. Most of the experts and scientists had little effect on the focus group. Former Governor Chris Christie had a big effect though, through relating his personal experience with the virus and how a couple of relatives (can't remember if it was a sister-in-law and her husband, or some people like that) both died from their infections. The focus group didn't suspect Christie of having an alternative agenda and his humanity created a relatedness, both of which helped them map his experience onto themselves, then many decided to get vaccinated.

Michael_t said...
Can you just go ahead and do that at this point?

the cvs website is taking bookings specifically for booster shots.

garyi said...

Pratoman said...

....It just feels like every few days someone else we know tests positive.

Sorry Ken, but we can't make it over for dinner any time soon ;-)

I'm about 90% sure I'm going for a Moderna booster this afternoon, at Walmart, before the Fed announcement this afternoon, and the rush begins.

Re dinner, aw shucks LOL. But probably a wise move on your part considering all the people i see getting breakthroughs.

Re 3rd shot, probaby a wise move. I am not sure why, but for now I'm choosing to wait. 7 weeks will be 8 months from my first shot.

I tested positive yesterday. I had gotten the jabs last Feb. Sunday was the worst day of my life, just felt like crap all day with a fever that never got over 100.5. Today the fever is gone and most of the coughing. I would hate to have what was Sunday linger on for days. I'm afraid it would have whipped me. Almost back to normal now. Don't understand why anybody does not want the shots.
Stay safe,
Noggin

Glad you're on the mend, Noggin. I certainly hope I don't catch the delta variant, but expecting that if I do it would likely be brief and manageable like your case. Still doesn't sound like much fun.

israel is ahead of the curve with the booster........

https://www.aol.com/news/third-pfizer-dose-86-effective-124011301-192650835.html?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation

well so am i