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Posted 4/29/2023 12:53 AM (GMT 0)
https://www.foxnews.com/health/florida-medical-tech-company-launches-ai-test-prostate-cancer-therapy

Not sure what to think of this.
Posted 4/29/2023 1:56 AM (GMT 0)
i think the big breakthrough in treatment will happen when the prostate snatcher isn't the first point of contact
Posted 4/29/2023 8:07 AM (GMT 0)
Nice to know that the doctors that treat us are making decisions on our treatments that are “Moderately accurate.”
Are we all being treated by doctors that have studied all the research, but are only making a guess as to the best treatments from the results of tests? I guess AI will soon tell the doctor that patient x will surely die in five years, no treatment needed. To the doctors that have trouble discussing results with patients and steps to be taken based on test results, I say get out of the field of treating cancer patients.
Posted 4/29/2023 12:56 PM (GMT 0)
AI just correlates things. It’s statistical software that gets trained to play the odds. It can take all of the data that has been collected on past PCa patients that usually ends up in academic journals as articles that doctors read to help them make better decisions, identify key attributes that correlate with outcomes, figure out the relationships between them and how well they correlate, and show you the odds. It all goes back to the data it’s trained on.

It’s reasonable to expect there are some statistical nuggets of correlation lying around out there waiting to be discovered, between all the things measured and outcomes noted from the thousands of patients treated. AI is a tool to find and use them.
Posted 4/29/2023 4:32 PM (GMT 0)
Well it certainly sounds like a game changer. Once in use it would seem that sending slides to John Hopkins will no longer be needed. AI will be the second or first opinion of choice. You would think that with the millions of patients treated, the doctors would have a pretty good base to proceed with a proven treatment right now. I guess it has been a coin toss all along. That is not really reassuring to the newly DX patients right now until this becomes the accepted practice.
Posted 4/29/2023 5:26 PM (GMT 0)
AI will be a game changer not only for PCa, but for the entire Medical process. It will eventually read scans, make diagnoses, and a ton of other tasks. And outside the medical profession, it will shred and disrupt entire industries. What we have seen is only the tip of the iceberg.
On the downside, it will help spread disinformation and even streamline the process for terrorism . 2 sided coin

https://erictopol.substack.com/p/generative-ai-and-the-new-medical
Posted 5/6/2023 8:20 PM (GMT 0)
I had a social interaction with a radiologist yesterday, and in the course of our conversation asked him if AI was changing the field of radiology. He smiled and said the only reason he still has a job is because they have not yet figured out the liability issues with an AI reading radiology images. He says that in ten years AI will have completely taken over the reading of radiology images. He said he is moving gradually into sports medicine.
Posted 5/6/2023 8:53 PM (GMT 0)
Seems like there has been near hysteria since the release of chatgpt. If AI really is edging closer to a tipping point, I guess we all will adjust to it just like we have for other major technology advances. But, that's assuming AI doesn't decide it would be better if we were all dead.

Reminds me of the Air Force General in War Games who suggests just unplugging the out of control computer. I guess it isn't that simple. 😃
Posted 5/6/2023 10:09 PM (GMT 0)
I decided to ask ChatGPT how good AI is at diagnosing prostate cancer. Bear in mind that ChatGPT is often wrong. Here is what it said:

"Machine learning programs can be very accurate in assisting with the diagnosis of prostate cancer from biopsy samples, but the specific accuracy can vary depending on various factors such as the quality and quantity of data used to train the machine learning model, the features used in the model, and the complexity of the model.

"Several studies have shown that machine learning algorithms can improve the accuracy of prostate cancer diagnosis from biopsy samples, and some have reported accuracy rates as high as 98%. For example, a study published in the Journal of Clinical Oncology in 2020 found that a machine learning model achieved an accuracy of 98.5% in predicting the presence of prostate cancer from biopsy samples.

"However, it's important to note that machine learning algorithms should be used as an aid to human pathologists rather than a replacement. Pathologists play a crucial role in analyzing biopsy samples and interpreting the results, and machine learning algorithms can help pathologists make more accurate diagnoses by providing additional information and insights."
Posted 5/7/2023 1:50 PM (GMT 0)
With roughly 250,000 new cases of PCa reported each year in the US alone, there already is an enormous set of biopsy data. Using AI to employ that biopsy set would be a logical first step. Brave New World.
Posted 5/7/2023 3:15 PM (GMT 0)
I read a series in the NYT that discusses a person's medical condition. These people have issues that may take months to diagnose. They go from one specialist to another without any relief. Finally a doctor will have an idea about what the treatment should entail. An AI can sift through all the symptoms and treatments in just a few seconds. I'll listen to a synopsis of a hundred articles on my symptoms as fast or faster than a primary care doctor.
Posted 5/7/2023 3:26 PM (GMT 0)
There is no such thing as AI.
Posted 5/7/2023 6:02 PM (GMT 0)

duke48 said...
I read a series in the NYT that discusses a person's medical condition. These people have issues that may take months to diagnose. They go from one specialist to another without any relief. Finally a doctor will have an idea about what the treatment should entail. An AI can sift through all the symptoms and treatments in just a few seconds. I'll listen to a synopsis of a hundred articles on my symptoms as fast or faster than a primary care doctor.

That sounds like experiences my wife and I have both had with the medical system. For her back issue, she did the big tour and saw numerous providers in a variety of departments, all whom seemed to see something different on the MRI of her back. I wondered if this was a scam to increase the billing they could do. For me, I had what turned out to be a bulging disc and it put pressure on a nerve with pain radiating down my leg. The first provider I saw felt the thigh on that leg and exclaimed that my muscles were in total spasm. Huh? Yes, total spasm. See how hard that muscle is? You need muscle relaxers. No, I’m a distance runner and what you are feeling is an actual muscle and, you know what, the unaffected leg feels the same way. Whew……let me talk to the computer.
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