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81GyGuy
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Posted 3/1/2024 1:56 PM (GMT 0)
Why is
MickeyMinnieHueyDeweyLouieDonaldGoofyPlutoTallahassee6cymbal
the ideal computer password?
Because it has at least eight characters, a capital, a number, and a typographic symbol!
mattam
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Posted 3/1/2024 3:50 PM (GMT 0)
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Funny, you should mention passwords. The last years I have been lazy and used the same password, or similar passwords, for many, many sites. I have finally accepted that this is a terrible idea. This morning I started the process of sorting and correcting it all out. What a slog! Especially for someone under the influence of Leuprolide.
Have a good weekend everyone!
VinceInMT
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Posted 3/1/2024 4:24 PM (GMT 0)
Couples therapist to husband: Your wife says you never buy her flowers.
Husband: I didn’t even know she sold flowers.
Mumbo
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Posted 3/1/2024 5:39 PM (GMT 0)
81GG - not even close, the question is if you need to remember it or not. Try corn-orlando-fate-ingenue-hijack-venge-plasm-shorn-oboe-satisfy or uqN.6yAkaGXN62WHc7-ggvbzYwZUJodAQakrbumn. Using a pattern of words is discouraged by those who do such things although we some we have to remember some (PIN, computer password, etc).
mattam - I am a proponent of 1Password for password management and have been using for years ($36/yr). I have actually trained my wife finally to use it (vs. the little black book) and she is a convert. We each have a "vault" and can see each other's accounts if we want. Otherwise you have to pay more for separate accounts.
The key is that 1Password can be installed on your computer, phones, tablets (I use all Apple stuff) and can be accessed from anywhere. It also has extensions for most browers (I use Firefox and Safari) so you can log into an account and it can fill in name & password for you. This better than the built-in password managers that anyone can access if they steal your phone and your data remains yours, not Apple or Googles. It also lets you store passport, driver's license, notes with pictures that can be accessed anywhere.
I have over 300 entries in my "vault" as I had a lot of accounts from my working days and nowadays it is almost impossible to not have accounts (VinceInMt excluded). The real benefit is you can have random passwords of any type for your financial accounts and can easily change every year if you want.
However, these systems are not as simple as advertised. There is a learning curve but the benefit becomes obvious pretty quick. Something nice about
selecting MyChart and it takes you to website, fills in the name and password and you just press OK. Same with name, address, and phone number for forms if you want.
Not sure how ADT gets along with 1Password but not having to remember much other than the master password is good for those who can not remember where they put the list or black book.
81GyGuy
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Posted 3/1/2024 6:43 PM (GMT 0)
Mumbo -
Thanks for sharing, that system sounds like a winner!
Stephen S
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Posted 3/1/2024 6:46 PM (GMT 0)
That is funny for sure!
I use Dashlane for password management. Every site gets a unique password.
While on the topic of security, I have been wondering about
voice deepfakes. Many banks/investment firms used to take a voiceprint that they used to help identify you when you call. Today its a trivial thing to mimic someone’s voice if you have the tiniest sample of what the real voice sounds like.
Alot of retired people here. Be careful out there!
mattam
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Posted 3/1/2024 6:59 PM (GMT 0)
Mumbo,
I finally relented because I got tired of my phone periodically yelling at me for duplicate passwords, similar passwords, and weak passwords. It was giving me a slouch complex.
My "system" has been the use of the back page of spiral notebooks, which are stiff and durable. I have 4 of them full of usernames, passwords, and codes. Of course, over time some information changes so a lot of lines are scratched out, and also trying to match up stuff scribbled in the boarders. Can't forget to cross off the old passwords or I end up getting locked out for too many login attempts. I imagine the black book thing may be similar.
Thanks for the heads up. I think it could be worth the fee and I'll look into it.
Mumbo
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Posted 3/1/2024 8:01 PM (GMT 0)
My wife was like that, so was my father. I had moved on from notebooks years earlier as a result of the increasing numbers of accounts. 1Password was developed for the Mac originally so I was introduced to it fairly early, 10+ years ago, then it expanded to Windows, browsers, etc. and became a major player.
As Stephen mentioned, there are other password managers like Dashlane, LastPass, etc. I am sure one could debate the merits of each but they are definitely a necessary evil in today's world. There are some free ones as well (Bitwarden) for a basic PW system.
I started with the basic financial accounts when I started which were not that many. Once I got the hang of it, I would start converting other accounts based on some logic I had at the time. Next thing you know, medical accounts, Social Security, Medicare, etc all got added to the list. After I retired, I thought it would be a good idea to close old work related accounts and so on, right! Officially closing any account is nearly impossible without a lot of work so I just left most of them which is why I have so many listings.
Don't get discouraged when you first start, there is no way to make the process really simple but you will see the wisdom later and wonder why you did not do it years ago.
Steve n Dallas
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Posted 3/2/2024 7:38 AM (GMT 0)
A scammer just called saying he had all of my passwords.
I replied, Thank You!! I need to get a pen. Hang on a minute
Pratoman
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Posted 3/4/2024 11:46 AM (GMT 0)
I tried LastPass a year ago, I found it cumbersome, maybe I gave up too soon, dunno. One thing I noticed is that it never worked well with 2 factor authentication.
I know its probably not a great idea, but I use the built in password recall on Safari and Chrome, and I also have a list of all my passwords in the Notes app on my iPad/IPhone and MAC. i'M thinking with face recognition or password required to access these devices, the risk still exists but is minimal.
I'm probably wrong
Mumbo
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Posted 3/4/2024 5:41 PM (GMT 0)
Prato - Just depends on your level of paranoia and lifestyle as well as what you do on your devices. If you go to bars at night or are entering passcodes on the subway, you may be at greater risk for someone getting your passcode and stealing your phone which will make your life quite unpleasant within an hour. Keep in mind that if someone gets your passcode and iPhone, they will also get the 2 factor authentication codes as well via text or email. Oh yeah, you can get robbed and forced to give your passcode.
I have 1Password on my iPhone, iPad, and iMac which all have biometric readers and my wife is set up the same way. Keep in mind that all devices allow you to used a passcode to bypass the biometrics so back to a "number" being a most important security item. I had to disabled every other method of saving passwords that could be used if someone got into my devices. If someone takes my device, I can do everything from another device or my wife's devices to track the phone or change account passwords, etc. Redundancy is good.
Am I paranoid?, yes and no. I try to understand all things about
security and do what I can that is reasonable but there is a place to stop when the benefit gets small. Everyone with PCa could have surgery followed my RT and ADT and be pretty sure that their recurrence risk was low but most would not tolerate that. On the other hand, most would not ignore the issue either so each situation requires its own solution.
I do know that it is a lot easier to misplace things as I get older so being able to track devices is helpful. I actually hooked up Apple tags to our car key FOB's so we can find them. Saves a lot of time knowing the FOB is in the house and not in a gym locker. A FOB going through the laundry is not good either.
BTW, I would definitely suggest getting rid of password lists in Notes and trusting a password manager like 1Password. It is a little like a sticky note on your computer with the passwords on it. Make them work to wreck your life...
81GyGuy
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Posted 3/4/2024 6:32 PM (GMT 0)
So many electronic places I go now, well, it may be getting to be most of them actually, now require secondary sign-on authentication before I can access them.
"Let's make sure it's really you!"
Click below and we'll send a six-digit authentication code to your email address.
When received, enter the code into the box below to complete signing on to your account!"
While I might under other circumstances grumble a little at having to do an extra step such as this one, I'm pretty okay with it here.
I mean, if it really just might stop a hacker-predator, who just happens to be roaming in my digital neighborhood at the moment, then it's extra keystrokes well spent!
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