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Posted 12/3/2008 2:25 PM (GMT 0)
Yesterday I got my first "0!" (undetectable)

On the other hand . . . my doc told me that there is a suspected link between unsaturated fats and the recurrence of prostate cancer.

That means fewer cheeseburgers. (bummer)
Posted 12/3/2008 4:57 PM (GMT 0)
Leave off the cheese and you'll be fine
Posted 12/3/2008 5:16 PM (GMT 0)
Nice going DoingFine!!! Welcome to the zero club and congrats on the excellent continence and ED recovery...

Jim
Posted 12/3/2008 6:03 PM (GMT 0)
Great news DoingFine...but I gotta admit...never heard that there was a link between the two...and I have done lots of reading. Do you know where your doctor got that information? Would love to read more on that.
Posted 12/3/2008 8:00 PM (GMT 0)
Hi DF and Les,

DF, sorry to hear about the diet restrictions but you have been given good advice. Les, there is a growing body of evidence that high fat diets are detrimental to those with PCa and heart disease. Recently the Ornish diet was shown to slow progression of PCa. I have searched for the article but no luck. However here is a link to another that addresses the same connection.

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/86/3/889S

I tried the Onish diet for cholesterol control some ten years ago. Lost weight like it was being taken off with a knife. Went from 175 to 155 in about five weeks. It is a tough diet to follow. Just looking at burger is restricted. Results? Cholesterol went from 220 to 205. I wound up taking a statin to get results. They seem to work no matter what I eat.

Don
Posted 12/3/2008 9:41 PM (GMT 0)

....ah man, not cheeseburgers):  we're the cheeseburger generation...more wine please!  I know..

Posted 12/3/2008 9:57 PM (GMT 0)
I will ask the doc about the suspected link, and where his info comes from. He promotes a vegetarian, or mostly vegetarian diet and is in very good condition and health.

It wasn't a dietary restriction, rather a suggestion on a personal level.
Posted 12/3/2008 10:29 PM (GMT 0)
You know things are bad enough dealing with IC and ED - now no cheeseburgers - just shoot me!

RB
Age 61 (now 62)
Original data - pre-operation
PSA: 5.1
T1C clinical diagnosis, Needle biopsy - 10 cores, Gleason 7 = 3+4 in 1 core (40%), 7 cores Gleason 6 = 3+3 ranging from 5% to 12%
All scans negative
Lupron administered 4/9/2008 for 4 months (with idea I would undergo external beam radiation followed by seed implants - then I changed my mind).
Robotic DiVinci surgery - Dr. Fagin (Austin) May 19th
Post operative - pathology
pT2c NX MX
Gleason 3+4
Margins - negative
Extraprostatic extension - negative
seminal vesicle invasion - uninvolved
1st Post PSA <.04
2nd Post PSA <.1 10/30/2008
Posted 12/3/2008 10:38 PM (GMT 0)
It's no secret cheeseburgers and much of the American diet we baby boomers grew up with is bad. Of course eating tofu and veggies is much better, but screw that. The key is moderation. I'm too old to give up cheeseburgers from now on and will still have one occasionally. I also need my breakfast burrito before an early tee time too. Is it a surprise I've been divorced for awhile now? <g>
Posted 12/3/2008 11:04 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the link Don...but the article was addressing those that haven't got PCa and what the doctor for DoingFine indicated was a link for reoccurrance and I don't see a link at all. I think if you are going to have reoccurrance after surgery it was because not all the cancer was removed or it had spread beyond the prostate prior to removal. So in that case...what would diet matter except for overall good health?

I believe in a good diet and actively living a healthy life style...but if PCa has been removed by surgery...I doubt that diet or lack of a proper diet is going to cause it to come back.

Sorry...gotta go get me a cheeseburger...I am starved.
Posted 12/4/2008 1:42 AM (GMT 0)
Good news on the tests! Always nice to hear...

about the cheeseburger...I have advanced prostate cancer and I like cheeseburgers. But I know about three or four guys who have lived on a Vegan diet for much of theirs lives who have advanced prostate cancer, too. There is some substance to diet and certain types of cancers. But there are no proven studies about what works in the diet. I find it amazing.

For me? I'm gonna eat a heart healthy diet. Cheeseburgers in moderation, I don't eat red meat every day, load up on the veggies sans too much dressing!...After vitamin D and pomagranite juice, I don't supplement often.

Tony
Posted 12/4/2008 1:48 AM (GMT 0)
Try turkey burgers, Costco sell really good frozen ones....add a few grilled onions and some feta cheese....mmmmm!
Posted 12/4/2008 1:53 AM (GMT 0)
That sounds good, David, but I'm not much of an onion guy...perhaps some mushrooms sauteed in olive oil?. I also switched from beef to chicken taco's, but I still once in a while a cheeseburger hits the spot...I feel guilty, for about a minute. And I love sushi....

Tony
Posted 12/5/2008 1:59 PM (GMT 0)
Welcome to the 0 Club DoingFine, I am happy for you and wish you a lifetime of 0's. I was mindful of my diet prior to having PCa, but am even more diligent now, sure I miss some things, but being as healthy as I can be outweighs any short term satisfaction achieved by eating.
Randy
Posted 12/7/2008 4:40 PM (GMT 0)
welcome to the zero club my friend. Not sure what to say about the cheeseburgers. I am no doctor that is for sure and I do believe diet plays an important part in our overall health, however I think a cheeseburger every now and then will not hurt. Matter of fact I think I will go get one now.

peace and love
Dale
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