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Posted 5/8/2009 6:38 AM (GMT 0)
Hi all, been reading a little on diet and PCa and am clear on a few things but not on others. I am a weight lifter and take some supplements. I have read that animal fat and dairy products are real bad for PCa. Does anyone know if whey protein ( without fat) is a problem? It is a dairy product but I couldn't find any specific info on it. I also take creatine (in cycles) which is found in red meat but again, no animal fat. Just wondering if anyone knows. I would hate to give up a sport I like so much and the nutritional science that goes with it. yeah I am aware that lifting heavy weights probably increases testosterone levels but my levels are right in the middle and I am not going there just yet if you know what i mean  thanks...........bob

Age 57

PSA 3.5

Gleason 4+3=7 1 core 30%

           3+3=6 1 core 50%

Pathologists at MD anderson concur with original path report

 DRE negative          

CAT scan clear

Bone scan showed some uptake.   MRI shows no metastisis ( I dodged that one I hope)

endorectal MRI scheduled at MD anderson shortly

Meeting with MD Anderson Proton center docs shortly

Meeting with LLUMC proton center docs shortly

Other options are all under consideration

 

Posted 5/8/2009 11:28 AM (GMT 0)
The main culprit seems to be fat. So I think you are OK. But, please bear in mind, peripheral things like this do not cause cancer. There is a huge amount of genetics involved and then no one knows what triggers the onset of cancer. A Healthy lifestyle that includes a well rounded diet without a preponderance of fat is about all that can be demanded of anyone. Some guys swear by the Mediterranean diet and it certainly will do no harm. But don't give up your sport based on this. Proteins are not the problem. Lift away.
Posted 5/8/2009 12:58 PM (GMT 0)
rsilver,
all the healthy dietary things you mentioned can only help your general health. exercise and sports will always improve your body and strength and endurance, another good thing.

it is common with a cancer dx to get focused on these items, as they are things that are under your control.

but cancer is a fickled creature. there is no direct 100% connection that is provable, that eating poorly or eating right would stop someone from getting or not getting cancer.

we have men here that are physical specimens of health and men that are morbidly obsese that get the same dose of PC.

it is never wrong to eat and exercise correctly, it's never right to deiberertly make a wreck out of your health - bad eating, smoking, heavy drinking, etc. Not being judgmental, just stating medical sense.

So keep doing what feel is right in those areas, and I hope you do well with your future treatment.

David in SC
Posted 5/8/2009 2:30 PM (GMT 0)

Hi rsilver,

There are no 100% agreed upon studies that show one way or the other and everyone has to decide which diet to believe in and follow.

However if you read The China study book  http://www.thechinastudy.com/about.html, you will see the results of extensive studies that show that animal protein (including casein as found in milk) is the main culprit for cancer and the other western health problems. Even following a no meat/no dairy diet, you can still have up to 5% of your calories coming from animal protein, so your supplements can fit the bill.

Best of luck

Posted 5/9/2009 12:21 AM (GMT 0)
thanks everyone, that sounds great! Nasso, I will check out the china study, I have read some reviews and it seems to make a lot of sense. glad to know I can still lift heavy and take some supplements. BTW, nasso, great results on your surgery. What an opportunity to get Walsh to do it. I think the stats on surgery would be way different if guys like him did all the surgery. No disrespect to anyone else. thanks.........bob

Posted 5/9/2009 7:38 AM (GMT 0)
I personally don't think it makes a darn of difference what you eat or drink in regard to causing Pca, I was in best of health, eating a Mediterranean diet, not overwieght etc. and still got Pca, I even see some people on this forum, changing thier diet after they were DX, some even hoping that a change in diet will slow the growth of tumour, I have yet to see a link between diet and Pca, scientists have for years been trying to find the cause, the closest suspicion is vasectomy, the diet field is very unclear.

Just my opinion. Regards Mal.
Posted 5/11/2009 1:26 AM (GMT 0)
Mal,
If there were no connection between diet and PC then why do all the top prostate oncologists, like Strum, Meyers, Liebowitz, and others have diet as a significant part of their program. These are the guys who know more about PC than other doctors and treat thousands of patients.
My onco said that if someone told him 10 years ago that diet had an affect on PC he would have dismissed them out of hand. After seing too many patients on "weird" diets have their PC slowed or stoped, he could not ignore diet anymore. He practices what he preaches and is on a non meat and dairy lifestyle.
You are entitled to your beliefs, but the evidence supporting PC and diet is very strong.
There are a lot of people that get lung cancer that never smoked, still the evidence that smoking causes lung cancer is well accepted.
JT
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