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brainsurgeon
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Posted 3/20/2010 3:40 PM (GMT 0)
[url]http://mail.elsevier-alert
s.com/go.asp?/bESI001/mDWMSB1F/qFCIWB1F/uWDCWKTB/xWXGOC1F/cutf%2D8
hmmm, adding closing link messes up the click, so removed
Post Edited By Moderator (James C.) : 3/20/2010 10:08:33 AM (GMT-6)
Casey59
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Posted 3/20/2010 3:56 PM (GMT 0)
Could only access the abstract...but (no surprise) it's just another paper which concludes by saying: "Further high-quality, prospective, multicentre, comparative studies are needed."
There will never be the "randomized clinical trial" comparative study necessary to show any statistical differences in results between methods...who the heck would want to participate in having their surgery method "randomized"?? Not me.
So, the major take-away from this is simply the point that many of us experienced guys know, and a point we should continue to make with newcomers, that the experience of the surgeon is the most important factor, once the patient has chosen surgery as a treatment mode.
In the words of Dr. Eric Klein from Cleveland Clinic, who wasn't "selling" either method:
"The most important factor in ensuring the best chance for cure and good functional outcomes after radical prostatectomy is the experience of the surgeon and not what approach is used. My best advice is to find the most experienced surgeon you can and let him choose the surgical tools that work best in his hands."
John T
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Posted 3/20/2010 5:32 PM (GMT 0)
Casey,
There was an article published on the New Prostate Cancer Info Link about
experienced surgeons at MSK. In reviewing data among EXPERIENCED surgeons the best surgeons achieved a 98% succes rate and the worst EXPERIENCED surgeon achieved a 75% sucess rate. This is an amazing stat that shows that skill is more important than we think and that some surgeons are true "artists". In another article it was mentioned that 80% of all surgeons doing prostate surgery do less than 10 a year, which is far below what is necessary to develop any type of skill level.
JT
Casey59
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Posted 3/20/2010 6:42 PM (GMT 0)
John,
No suprise in the results of the first article you referenced.
I'm really surprised (and frankly a bit skeptical) about
the results of the second article referenced. (When I say "skeptical", I mean there might be some catch in the descript
ion of "all prostate surgery" that would make that statistic more believable.) Nonetheless, I would estimate that only 20% of all surgeons who perform prostatectomies perform 80% of all prostatectomies...the ol' 80/20 rule.
regards...
geezer99
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Posted 3/21/2010 2:05 AM (GMT 0)
Actually I think the article referenced by brainsurgeon is quite good -- especially in terms of the number of different studies which were examined. True, the authors constantly remind the reader of the shortcomings of the available data, but, to my mind patterns do emerge.
In my opinion, the overall results slightly favor robotic surgery over
open in terms of lack of positive margins, return to continence and return of sexual function.
I'll try to extract some of the findings that I found interesting and post them later.
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