Is soy milk really better for us than milk?

We've all heard that we should cut back on dairy products, and by that they mean all dairy products, not just cream/butter. Even skim milk consumption has been shown to correlate with PC.

So I was looking at the soy milk in the fridge and noticing that it has calcium added (calcium carbonate) and Vitamin A palmitate added. Now, I recall reading somewhere that there's speculation that either the calcium or the Vit. A are what are actually why milk is problematic. And there's some form of sugar in there as well, which we all know is basically cancer food.

So I'm wondering now... soy milk isn't milk, but perhaps it is made by taking something good for us (soy) and then adding a bunch of the same things that make milk bad for us. Is it really any better for us overall?

I feel that the use of soy beverage may have played a part in my good numbers and especially the decrease in my PSA level from 0.05 to 0.02.

internet website said...
Prostate cancer

Consumption of isoflavone-rich soy foods has also been linked to positive benefits regarding prostate cancer. It has been observed that prostate tumors grow slowly in Japanese men and the tumors are less likely to become life-threatening 14. To understand this relationship better, studies have been done in test tubes and in animals, whereby isoflavones have been shown to inhibit the growth of prostate cancer cells in test tubes and to slow the development of prostate tumors in animals.

here is the full site: www.drinksilk.ca/isoflavones.php

Mind you, some other sites talk about the alleged bad stuff about soy products, including the estrogen effects on weight gain and muscle loss.

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-the following is personal hypothesis -

And on a side note, years ago, there was a German study about "the biological cause of homosexuals" and their conclusion was that during the first trimester, if the woman carrying the fetus was subject to stress ( ie. unwanted pregnancy, domestic problems, etc) her body created more estrogen which affected the development of the brain and its gender-specific wiring....
...And their proof was when they subjected two study groups - one gay, one straight - to estrogen injection - the straight group reacted strongly ( like side effects of PCa HT) , and the gay group (due to the brain's wiring) did not react at all and assimilated the estrogen.
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-so maybe, due to the consumption of the soy beverage, along with my other supplements, the estrogen effect on me not only slowed any PCa growth but actually reduced its numbers.

-I will be maintaining my current regiment - along with reducing my weight -and will compare numbers when I get my next PSA in March 2012.

-wishing you all the best.
long winded hugs,
BRONSON
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p.s. I hope my hypothesis doesn't freak anybody out or offend them - that is not the point of the matter .
- I am still amazed that my numbers went DOWN without any treatment - and if I can help create an understanding of why that occurred - maybe it can help other prostate cancer survivors keep their numbers down ....

sincere hugs,
me
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I still contend that soy milk is only suitable for baby soy beans, and when did soy beans become a mammal anyway?

tatt2man said...
I feel that the use of soy beverage may have played a part in my good numbers and especially the decrease in my PSA level from 0.05 to 0.02.

internet website said...
Prostate cancer

Consumption of isoflavone-rich soy foods has also been linked to positive benefits regarding prostate cancer. It has been observed that prostate tumors grow slowly in Japanese men and the tumors are less likely to become life-threatening 14. To understand this relationship better, studies have been done in test tubes and in animals, whereby isoflavones have been shown to inhibit the growth of prostate cancer cells in test tubes and to slow the development of prostate tumors in animals.

here is the full site: www.drinksilk.ca/isoflavones.php

Mind you, some other sites talk about the alleged bad stuff about soy products, including the estrogen effects on weight gain and muscle loss.

---------------------------------
-the following is personal hypothesis -

And on a side note, years ago, there was a German study about "the biological cause of homosexuals" and their conclusion was that during the first trimester, if the woman carrying the fetus was subject to stress ( ie. unwanted pregnancy, domestic problems, etc) her body created more estrogen which affected the development of the brain and its gender-specific wiring....
...And their proof was when they subjected two study groups - one gay, one straight - to estrogen injection - the straight group reacted strongly ( like side effects of PCa HT) , and the gay group (due to the brain's wiring) did not react at all and assimilated the estrogen.
.....................................

-so maybe, due to the consumption of the soy beverage, along with my other supplements, the estrogen effect on me not only slowed any PCa growth but actually reduced its numbers.

-I will be maintaining my current regiment - along with reducing my weight -and will compare numbers when I get my next PSA in March 2012.

-wishing you all the best.
long winded hugs,
BRONSON
....
p.s. I hope my hypothesis doesn't freak anybody out or offend them - that is not the point of the matter .
- I am still amazed that my numbers went DOWN without any treatment - and if I can help create an understanding of why that occurred - maybe it can help other prostate cancer survivors keep their numbers down ....

sincere hugs,
me
...

 

 

 

Well Bronson I am sort of confused ..Ya see, I have this homosexual daughter and her mother claims when she was pregnant she never was stressed or drank any soy or smoked or drank alcohol or exercised too much (or too little) or had no domestic discord or wore pink tights. We just sort of figured out that this daughter likes girls better than boys.OK   with me.  The girl (now a woman of 40) is a high end University administrator who is brilliant, sweet, helpful, considerate..all that stuff.  She does keep too many cats and other animals, but who is perfect.  What was the question?

Davidg:
- from what I have read, it helps promote a balanced body - and if affected by cancers, breast cancer, prostate cancer, etc, the estrogen in the soy beverage ( it is not a milk) is of benefit.
- quite possibly soy beverage may help someone on AS ....

-there seems to be an almost equal amount of pro- and anti- soy websites....

hugs,
BRONSON

Post Edited (tatt2man) : 3/31/2011 9:01:38 PM (GMT-6)

I think I need to explore long term changes in my diet. We eat healthy ( mostly products from Whole Foods ) but we have not given up red meat and sugar. I probably need to curb those. I only have skim milk in my tea so don't consume too much of it. I do like imported cheeses however. Couldn't live without parmiggiano Reggiano.

I have been using soy milk with my cereal every morning for the last 4 years. It is not a lot, may be half a cup.

If soy is so bad, why don't Asians have some of the cancer westeners get?

Anxiety, the Asian population has a totally different diet that us Westerners (and they are likely far more active). Lots of fish and veges, rice, practically no soda or sugared drinks, tea (which has excellent antioxidant qualities) and soy. I imagine the soy products consumed there are different (e.g., more natural) that what we have. And, obesity is not an issue in the Far East whereas it's a huge problem in the Western world...we all know that obesity contributes to a long list of medical problems including cancer.

Asians also drink and smoke a ton.

Cow's milk is great for baby cows. Whale milk for baby whales. Rat milk for baby rats......soy milk for baby soys???.......why is it that humans are the only animal that continues to drink milk, but not from our mothers? In nature, milk is only for infants and the biggest advabntage is the colustrum just after birth. Milk is fed until teeth come in....then animals wean.

Common sense is not to be drinking a bunch of milk. Our drinking of milk is the biggest marketing hoax ever.

Over a 20 year period I lived (and raised my American family of a wife and three sons) in Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia, China, and Korea. Not once did I see anyone drink milk or soy milk....except for people from America, UK, Eurpoe, and Australia.

The Asians eat tofu, soy bean sprouts, soy sauce, and miso. They do not drink milk, soy milk, or eat butter, cottage cheese, sour cream, cheese. etc. If we want to understand the positive aspects of soy, then do just what the Asians do.