HT & Lupron

Jack,

I have to run out the door for now. Later, I will send you an email. But, the short answer is yes, but you will almost certainly need help (pump or injections).

I could induce an erection. The equipment still worked. However, the desire was gone.

I concur with F8...The ability vanishes but the upside is you could not care less....Wives take a very, very dim view of these developments..

If you are looking ahead to salvage radiation combined with HT, at least the time on HT is (hopefully) limited to something you can tolerate...

Thanks for raising the questions. I have read a couple of books on HT, the latest one by Dr. Snuffy Meyers, in both books that have read, I have not read that you can't have sex while on Lupron, Cassodex and Proscar. I would say until you hear other wise go let the tiger out of its cage and get all you can, and then get a ton for the rest of us that have been put out to pasture with the plumbing no longer working like it should , or even working at all.

Use a VED, and if you need, check into Trimix injections. That works for a lot, but I am struggling with trying to have success. I know fairwind said wives are very understanding. All I know, is mine isn't and is frustrated.

(f you haven't read Dr. Meyers book on conquering prostate cancer with hormone therapy and diets, I would recommend it. I have learned a lot from him. He to is a PCa survivor and he knows his HT.

doesn't libido and capability come back once off lupron?

my libido came back with a vengeance.  my capability has been impaired by all the radiation i received.  i can still function with cialis but i have to wonder how long will that last?

you may not feel like "pumping". i sure didn't.  when i said the desire vanished... i can honestly say that i didn't even look at a risque website for more than a year.  now, my wife and i developed a new intimacy that she really loved.  we watched alot of movies and classic HBO series cuddled up on the couch.  of course we had to break whenever i had a hot flash ... .

so your libido will vanish and you might not care that much ... but it'll be a different story for your wife who might interpret it as rejection!

ed

Depending upon your total options, Casodex is a well kept secret (lol), it is possible to control PCa (atleast for awhile, which is what Lupron also does for awhile) and maintain some sex life, although it could diminish along the spectrum. Another secret is that casodex (or its equals)+ proscar was found about equal in control of non-hrpca PCa, in HT naivee patients getting onto HT therapies (Wheeler et al). However, uro-doc or others make zero money per se on casodex or proscar and make plenty of profits on LHRH drugs.....just a clue.

If using LHRH drugs, fine it can work but be aware of longer term useage of it can cause: bone loss, memory loss and has other cumulative side effects (weight gain, libido etc.). Intermittent could be a huge plus for the patient and insurance companies whom pay plenty for this stuff. We have some guys herein whom have done casodex only or casodex+proscar (i.e. Andrew-Ohio State has done fabulous on casodex+) and with high risk scenario and was on this drug for about 1 year and now off drug for about 1 year, safely within psa testings thus far, too. Also, generally much less in side effects for the patient to endure. But, nothing is a pancea in therapies, although options and trade offs are worthy to look into.

zufus said...
Depending upon your total options, Casodex is a well kept secret (lol), it is possible to control PCa (atleast for awhile, which is what Lupron also does for awhile) and maintain some sex life, although it could diminish along the spectrum. Another secret is that casodex (or its equals)+ proscar was found about equal in control of non-hrpca PCa, in HT naivee patients getting onto HT therapies (Wheeler et al). However, uro-doc or others make zero money per se on casodex or proscar and make plenty of profits on LHRH drugs.....just a clue.

If using LHRH drugs, fine it can work but be aware of longer term useage of it can cause: bone loss, memory loss and has other cumulative side effects (weight gain, libido etc.). Intermittent could be a huge plus for the patient and insurance companies whom pay plenty for this stuff. We have some guys herein whom have done casodex only or casodex+proscar (i.e. Andrew-Ohio State has done fabulous on casodex+) and with high risk scenario and was on this drug for about 1 year and now off drug for about 1 year, safely within psa testings thus far, too. Also, generally much less in side effects for the patient to endure. But, nothing is a pancea in therapies, although options and trade offs are worthy to look into.

 

You have to be careful with what treatment is being used to treat what level of PC. In my case, my URO recommended 2-3 years of HT, my local OCO allowed me to go off it(because I did not want to tolerate the SE) and my remote OCO who performed the HDR insisted that I stay on the HT for at least a year because of the aggressiveness of my PC and my age and that fact that my overall treatment plan was to CURE my PC.

  You should also keep in mind that your Testosterone levels MUST be at a minimum level(below 20 or at least 30) in order for the treatment to work and you should also be getting regular PSA and T level tests to make sure everything is working.

 

ps This HT is a *****, but we're hope for a short pain for a big gain.....good luck!

Casper319 said...
jaxum....Ive lost the desire and feel nothing when seeing a hot girl walk down the street. My brain says yes but groin says no. I am still able to get aroused with my wife though...it just takes a little work.

We usually spend about 5-10 minutes with some foreplay while I stroke little willy like a mad man. Once it gets hard, I quicky slip on a Penis ring and am able to have sex until we achieve orgasm. Its not easy, but I have to play mind games with myself and pretend I never had an issue. Ive been on Lupron since July and have been at castration level for some time so it can be done. Its just a lot harder and with less frequency. Maybe twice a week as compared to almost every night before the Lupron. Luckily I have an understanding wife who like sex but can also go without.

Of course being a retired soldier...she was already used to being alone many nights while I was gone so it was nothing new for her.

I believe if your young enough....you can find a way to make it happen. I tried the pump and didnt really care for it much. Good Luck with your choices.

 

 

You can still maintain a good relationship and not have that sexual penetration(for a specified time) and just because you're not having sexual relations, it doesn't mean you have to be alone.......in my humble opinion!

 

GlennKavanagh said...

Casper319 said...
jaxum....Ive lost the desire and feel nothing when seeing a hot girl walk down the street. My brain says yes but groin says no. I am still able to get aroused with my wife though...it just takes a little work.

We usually spend about 5-10 minutes with some foreplay while I stroke little willy like a mad man. Once it gets hard, I quicky slip on a Penis ring and am able to have sex until we achieve orgasm. Its not easy, but I have to play mind games with myself and pretend I never had an issue. Ive been on Lupron since July and have been at castration level for some time so it can be done. Its just a lot harder and with less frequency. Maybe twice a week as compared to almost every night before the Lupron. Luckily I have an understanding wife who like sex but can also go without.

Of course being a retired soldier...she was already used to being alone many nights while I was gone so it was nothing new for her.

I believe if your young enough....you can find a way to make it happen. I tried the pump and didnt really care for it much. Good Luck with your choices.

 

 

You can still maintain a good relationship and not have that sexual penetration(for a specified time) and just because you're not having sexual relations, it doesn't mean you have to be alone.......in my humble opinion!

 I agree with you glenn...loss of sex is certainly nothing to lose a relationship over....its just an added benefit if you can still have it once in awhile.  I think its a lot harder for us guys in our early 50s to give up sex as opposed to many here who are over 65 or so.

Casper -- keep us updated.  i actually quit having sex before lupron but i was capable even after on lupron for awhile but i'm pretty sure 90 days into it i was finished. 

ed

 

I have a question: just what are we trying to accomplish with Lupron? help me understand this.
let's say i go on Lupron for one year, does that give me one more year of life, and two years on Lupron = two more years of life?
how does it work math wise, i know Lupron slows cancer down that's great, but i want to know how much time it gets me
If the trade of is no more sex for a year of life i would like to know that.
so the question is how many months on Lupron = how much more time to live life.....

comments please....

thank-you
jaxum
Ca.

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Post Edited (zufus) : 10/14/2011 4:18:29 AM (GMT-6)