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Posted 1/27/2013 5:04 PM (GMT 0)
No, this has nothing to do with Casey's exercise challenge!

about 6 weeks ago, we bought a really nice power juicer (Jack LaLannes brand).

We are using it once a week and like it. I would say from start (cutting/gathering/preparing the fruits and vegetables) to finish (drinking the juice and then cleaning the machine) it takes about 70 minutes. You really need to clean it right away and it is a pain. We would probably use it more often if it wasn't such a pain to clean.

Anyway, so far we have just been experimenting on our own. We are finding fruit juices (oranges, pears, grapes, pineapples, apples) to be fantastic. Incidentally this juicer works much better than one we tried years ago. We get much more juice. When we do vegetables alone (carrots, celery, cucumbers, etc.), sometimes it is delicious and at other times...well...GROSS comes to mind. I think the solution will be to do vegetables but make sure a lot of fruit is added to the mix.

Any ideas? It seems like a good way to get some food value.

I will say the pulp is totally removed. Consequently, there is no fiber and that is NOT good. So one should look at other sources of fiber (I will just cut up an orange or grapefruit and eat it).

So, are any of you into juicing. Suggestions, comments, etc.?

Mel

 

Posted 1/27/2013 5:50 PM (GMT 0)
I'm into juicing. I have the Omega 8006 juicer, a masticating juicer and one of the best all-purpose juicers around. A masticating juicer will make juice out of delicate leafy greens such as parsley or spinach as well as hard produce, while a centrifugal juicer such as the Jack Lalane works better on hard produce. For the fruits that you are using to make juice a centrifugal will work better than a masticating juicer.

70 minutes seems like a long time to spend on juicing. It takes me about 5 to 10 minutes to make the juice and about 3 minutes to clean the juicer.

I make mostly vegetable juices for myself and my husband and I juice for health reasons. I aim for a few glasses of juice a week. I juice carrots, green apples, celery, cabbage, spinach, parsley, cucumbers, peppers and whatever I have around. I throw a bunch of vegetables in the juicer and then add some carrots and/or green apples for sweetness. I don't like juice that is too sweet or too bitter, thus I play around to get the right balance of vegetables and carrots/apples. I am going to try other fruits such as pears or pineapple with the vegetables I use for variety. I was surprised to find that my husband likes the juices I make. There are books with juicing recipes around but I have not tried them.

I occasionally make pure fruit juices if we have extra fruit around but for the most part we eat fruit and juice vegetables.

I don't worry about the fiber aspect because we just use juicing as a supplement to our diet, not as a staple in our diet. I'm not much into vitamins, etc, and would rather get extra nutrition though juice than through taking pills.
Posted 1/27/2013 6:04 PM (GMT 0)
You might consider this new tourist attraction, after being juiced up on something (lol), I would likely chicken out, the no warranty aspect and Murphy's Laws would bother me. We do have a VitaMix blender, that sucker is powerful and should be for the high price tag. Back to the original thread now.

http://www.visualnews.com/2011/12/01/a-glass-walkway-4000-feet-high/ cool
Posted 1/27/2013 6:11 PM (GMT 0)
that walkway looks interesting (OK - scary) but it would be way cheaper to go to the grand canyon sky walk.
Posted 1/27/2013 6:15 PM (GMT 0)
Don´t juice, but I make smoothies for kids, usually frozen bananas, OJ, raspberries, blueberries, some milk (when my dad was here I was adding soy milk and POM), and a spoon of ground linseeds (flax). Ground linseeds mix nicely with the smoothie, and provide the fiber, some omega-3. Perhaps it could work well with the juice...?
Posted 1/27/2013 6:59 PM (GMT 0)
Only a few minutes to clean?

It takes me much longer. There are a number of parts, but the part that takes a LONG time is the wire filter.

Mel

Posted 1/27/2013 7:15 PM (GMT 0)
For what its worth, Dr. Myers tells patients not to juice carrots. Eating them is fine, juicing is not. He said you could not eat enough carrots in a short amount of time for it to be problematic, but because juicing allows you to quickly ingest the equivalent of MANY carrots, a good thing turns bad (for prostate cancer patients). I'm not 100% certain I remember what the issue was, but my fuzzy memory says maybe beta carotene at certain levels is harmful if you have PCa.
Posted 1/27/2013 7:34 PM (GMT 0)

I have juiced for many years (30 years?), but not very often.  My diet previously was bad, lots of red meat, milk, cheese, white bread, and sugar.

Since PCa, juicing is done more often, once every two weeks, to every day for a week or two.  Carrots and apples are always used as the base, never use the apple seeds.  The apple is quartered then two diagonal slits to remove center with seeds.  Large carrots are cut length wise and ends are cut off, beets are quartered, juices easier. Various additional items added.  It is a chore to prep and clean.  It is much easier to clean right after juicing.  Never timed myself but not as long or short as mentioned above.  Juiced yesterday, carrots, apples, and a red beet.

 

If you use carrots and apples as base and experiment with other item you can’t go wrong, yummy.  Organic is always used when available.

 

Made these yesterday, they are GOOD, used organic promise spread instead of butter, somtimes I use olive oil instead of butter, it works. 20 min too long, I bake for 18 min. Honey and maple syrup is a good sugar.

 

http://www.bobsredmill.com/recipes.php?recipe=1045

 

I do all the cooking (I'm the man in my house)  smilewinkgrin   

 

Posted 1/27/2013 8:02 PM (GMT 0)
Interesting info about the carrots!

Mel,

I recently bought a Nutri-Blast and I can make most things and have it cleaned in less than 5 minutes.

One of my favorites is spinach, with pineapple, & blueberries. Looks disgusting, but tastes great! Takes all of 5 minutes.
Posted 1/27/2013 8:14 PM (GMT 0)
Oh, I make about 32 oz each time, 16oz for the wife and I.
Posted 1/27/2013 8:39 PM (GMT 0)
The filter on the Omega 8006 is shaped like an open cylinder and comes with a stiff toothbrush to clean it with. It takes about 15 seconds to clean because everything rinses out - there are no corners where produce can get stuck. My previous juicer was the Acme 6001 and the filter took a long time to clean because it was shaped like a closed cylinder and everything got stuck inside it.

I did read that Snuffy Myers discouraged juicing with carrots. I don't know what his reasons are. I do know that there was a study done that showed that high levels of beta carotene encouraged aggressive PCa. I assume that the study was based on men who took beta carotene in supplement form, although I don't know for sure. In my mind taking beta carotene as a supplement and drinking carrot juice are not the same, so I don't worry about using a few carrots in a glass of juice. I would like to know exactly what information Dr. Myers based his recommendation on. But since you reminded me of his opinion, I will alternate carrots with sweet fruits to cut the bitter taste when I make vegetable juice.
Posted 1/27/2013 8:48 PM (GMT 0)
Could be just the supplement beta-carotine, don't know.

The gerson diet therapy uses carrots/apples as their base.

http://gerson.org/gerpress/the-gerson-therapy/

 

Posted 1/27/2013 9:03 PM (GMT 0)
(from MSKCC)

 

To prevent cancer
 Several large and well-designed clinical trials do not support the use of beta carotene supplements for preventing cancer. In fact, high beta-carotene intake has been linked to higher risk of lung cancer in male smokers and aggressive prostate cancer. (This does not necessarily apply to beta carotene obtained from the diet. Beta carotene may act in conjunction with other phytochemicals in fruits and vegetables).

http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/herb/beta-carotene

The studies are done with supplements, and not diet.

Beta-carotene supplements are typically made from compounds extracted from algae, palm oil or fungi, and are sold in pill, capsule or liquid form.

 

Posted 1/27/2013 9:11 PM (GMT 0)
I have read a lot about Gerson, including the biography of Max Gerson which was written by his grandson. I got into juicing about 15 years ago because of a book I bought in a health food store written by Norman Walker. Walker uses a lot of carrots in his juices (also spinach).

My husband who goes along with the healthy eating regimen I have him on, but if left on his own would eat horribly, always reminds me that carrot juicing did not help Steve Jobs much. Steve Jobs drank a lot of carrot juice.
Posted 1/27/2013 9:30 PM (GMT 0)
Norman Walker died in his sleep at 99

Steve Jobs refused any treatment strongly advised

by doctors for 9 months.  He had pancreatic cancer.

He did change his diet, not sure what it entailed.

My thoughts, 9 months can't wipe out decades of

decaying with a large tumor burdon.

 

Posted 1/27/2013 9:44 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the MSKCC information Sagittarian. I will continue to use carrots in my juices, in moderation.

I will mention the information in your post the next time my husband makes a comment about Steve Jobs. Thanks.
Posted 1/27/2013 9:48 PM (GMT 0)
Yes moderation, and swaying away from what man

touches, and changes it from its natural form.

Too much of anything is not good. turn

I hope that doesn't include the McRib ! 

Posted 1/27/2013 10:56 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Mel, thanks for your E mail...getting better SLOWLY ...anyway several years ago I bought a Vit a Mix power blender ( I think it has a 2hp motor and will grind up a brick) Every morning I put a handful of raw walnuts, raw almonds,handful of flaxseeds, several carrots, handful baby spinach,cherry tomatoes,fuji apples,bananas, strawberries, blueberries,pomergranite seeds...then I add approx 8oz of coconut water, indian probiotic yogurt, and two scoops of soy protein powder  (BTW all the fruit is pre frozen)  I mix up in about 2 minutes....it cleans up in a minute...you grind the skins and all ( except no banana peels or orange peels)....I vary the fruit depending what I can get...in the summer peaches, plums,grapes, cataloupes.  Basically none of the nutrients is discarded  very easy to make up and clean....the blender is expensive...around $450 but worth every penny for the nutrious meal I get every morning.

Terry

Posted 1/28/2013 3:49 PM (GMT 0)
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