Molasses and Baking Soda cure

I am still new here and I tried searching the forum for this subject. I found a little, but not much.

Has it already been discussed about this man, Vernon, who claims to have cured his stage 4 PCa by drinking a mix of molasses and baking soda? He says it raises his body ph which kills the cancer cells. He has a website and now a book. So is he just making money from this? What are your thoughts? I don't want to be blackballed here, just trying to see what this forum thinks about this subject.

PH, either acidic or alkaline do have effects on the body.
Not quite sure about a "cure".
However, what I did was buy a fish fresh water PH test kit
at a pet store. My tap water was highly acidic (well water)
so I adjusted the amount of calcium carbonate to get as close to 7.0 as I could.
Acidic water also leaches copper out of pipes. Also bought (at fish store)
a copper test kit. Copper was high also, increasing PH solved that (after awhile).

Spring water usually has a higher PH. If you drink lots of bottled spring water, good idea to check its PH yourself.

I have a very low opinion of this kind of treatment. There is little to no scientific evidence it works and Buddy said exactly what I feel - it's dangerous to think this would work.

Just looking at the chemistry... molasses is acidic with a pH of between 5-6. Sodium bicarbonate solution is alkaline with a pH of about 8. You mix the two, and it should get warm and bubbly as CO2 is released - the stomach acid will neutralize whatever the molasses doesn't, leading to a big burp. If you want a higher pH (more alkaline) leave out the molasses. If you need to restrict sodium, use something like Tums instead.

I talked to a guy online who used an alkaline diet rather than chemicals. It didn't work (his PC progressed) but it gave him a fun science project for a while.

- Allen

If only curing cancer were this easy, there would be none left in the world.

Please find a physician you can trust and go from there.

Faustmann, you see a lot about the whole alkaline approach. I have not yet read PDA's links, or any of the others, but I plan to.

Do you have PC? If so, what are your Gleason scores, PSA and DRE results? IOW, do you have a good bit of time to mess around with this?

If you could somehow get the PC cells to turn alkaline inside or be surrounded by a more alkaline pH, then maybe I could see it. But it has always been my understanding that the body fights hard to maintain the overall pH, as measured in the blood gasses, within a very narrow range. I'm not sure you can vary it that much for any period of time no mater what you do, at least with diet.

For example, with a patient on a ventilator during surgery- or maybe during resuscitation during cardiac arrest, we would adjust the respiratory rate to compensate for acidosis. If breathing is not adequate blood CO2 goes up and blood pH goes down(=more acidic). Increasing the ventilation makes things more alkaline.

If you are breathing on your own, and your blood gets a little acidotic(pH dropping), your breathing rate will subconsciously increase to blow of CO2 and raise the pH back up to a less acidic, more alkaline level. You probably won't even know it's happening unless your acidosis is extreme, and then you might be hyperventilating.

Point is, I'm just not that sure you can significantly change the bodies pH long enough by ingesting something to hurt cancer cells, if indeed that would actually hurt cancer cells. If you could change the pH much and keep it there, it might kill you. But am I sure of that? No. (EDIT: I meant: I am pretty sure if you could change pH much it would hurt or kill you, I'm not sure about the next sentence) Do I know that it can not change pH enough- even if minutely- to help? I don't. It does sound challenging though, but you never know. I don't think I would let it sway me from other needed treatments, all depending on your Gleason etc. But if you can experiment with it without also being hurt by it- and without it delaying or interfering with other needed treatments, then let us know how it goes. Also, I would research the heck out of it first and try to talk with others who have done it. Be careful! I know nothing about what you are asking about, except this thread, but it does sound a bit suspect to me. But there is a lot of debate, including here, about a lot of things, like over at the "Plea for AS" and many other threads.
(Edit 2: Please excuse huge amount of typos in this thread and all others. My keyboard had been going razy lately, with many delays after I press a key and many letters in words being left out even though I hit the keys. I correct them when I see them)

Post Edited (BillyBob@388) : 2/17/2015 8:59:56 PM (GMT-7)

I will give my opinion in two words only, a miracle for me, lol: SNAKE OIL.

 BillyBob - yes, I have PC. G9. 

Doug- I know exactly what you mean by having "thick skin".  I could tell a story here that happened the week I was diagnosed to show why we need that thick skin.

When starting this thread, I never intended to start a sparring match or irritate anyone.  Someone sent me a link to Vernon's story and it just sounded too good to be true.  I wonder if he ever really had advanced PCa.

I am on standard of treatment and do not plan to stop and take up snake oil, or molasses and baking soda.  I might be new here but I have been fighting this for 4  years. Thanks everyone for your thoughts on this subject.

Faust, wasn't my intent either, but you never know, eh? I see we're similar stats wise, best of luck!

Cheers, Doug

Shaba, I did get it off my chest, and in the long term the objective was met, personally for you, short term, not so much. You have re-enforced my point that naming names is the ideal, in that when you don't, you indict all. I mean I felt indicted… and will take you on your word it was not meant. None the less I presented my case with resonance. I would not have had to if I knew, by the naming, what was in your mind. BTW your last post to Faust{such irony}, first sentence, you still cannot resist the subtle slam.
The shoe you refer to fits all.. not a glass slipper. PS no i can not resist my last taught, Praise!

My grandma died of ovarian cancer. She fought hard but it finally won. During her fight my grandpa tried Laetrile - needless to say it didn't work but he was desperate enough to almost try anything to save his wife's life. My grandparents were not kooks but old school people - worked hard all their lives, believed in medicine (Western medicine), etc. They were just desperate.

Quackwatch is a great site for debunking scams.

http://www.quackwatch.org/

Sad Sue, you said...
It was even hard to find the test strip to see if alkalinity was at 8.

Scientific curiosity drives me to ask, was it ever at 8? Several commenters have doubted that drinking the stuff could change the pH of one's blood very much. But, per my reading, the "Baking Soda and Molasses Cancer Cure" does call for the test strips. Did it make his urine more alkaline? If it did then we would need to decide what, if anything, the pH of one's urine says about the pH of one's blood.

The urology centre gave us test strips and it sort of looked as if alkalinity reached 8 or close to it. When we ran out of those tests trips we got some that are used for a swimming pool.?? Probably not the most scientific lab results ever drawn! We did it for about 8 weeks long enough to to still see psa keep rising. So did it ever do anything would be questionable. Dave didn't feel any better from it so we stopped using it. In a dream world you go to your kitchen and mix a concoction that would CURE something that years of science can't fix. When Dave was first diagnosed a lady with a tumour in her leg said she was only using holistic medicine and mind therapy for that cancer. BUT the tumour types are diffrent her stage of cancer is less compared to Daves stage 4. Some tumours are self contained with out much spread. I saw her across the lobby at the cancer center in January, so that may not have worked long term for her. So at this stage of time does it make sense to deprive yourself out of a food that you enjoy , is it really going to make a difference? Even red meat has its place because of the cell counts they tell Dave to eat that and greens. I think Daves cancer is hereditary his mother had breast cancer his maternal grandfather had prostate cancer. Environmentally Dave worked 37 in a paper mill. All factors need consideration. Those factors should have been a driving factor to have done screening for Dave at a complete physical when he was 58.