Personal Experience with Diet and Exercise

After surgery and radiation (SRT) have failed to stop
a rising PSA, I decided to get serious about diet and
exercise. Now I have 2 1/2 years of data using the
Labcorp Ultrasensitive test and careful notes on what
I eat.

With a Gleason score of 6, and a PSA doubling time
(PSADT) of about 7 months post surgery AND post
radiation, I am trying maximize the DT through diet
and exericise.

My PSADT went from 7 months to currently over 5 years.

This is what I'm doing .... may not work for everybody.

1) I make sure supplements do not contain
Chondroitin Sulfate nor Iron.

2) Minimize an insulin response. The less sugar and
fast carbs, the better the results.

3) No red meat, no eggs, very little dairy (Gouda).

4) Basic diet is (organic) vegan with seafood. But, no
farmed raised fish.

5) Lots of raw vegetables, especially broccoli and
broccoli sprouts. Have with hummus containing
olive oil, and add turmeric spice, ground black pepper,
rosemary, and oregano to the hummus.

6) Use Olive oil when you need oil.

7) Brown over white for carbs if you have to.

8) Some soy product daily, mostly soy beans, milk or tofu.

9) I have green tea every day (1 or 2 cups).

10) Vitamin D-3 or sunshine and a brisk walk 30 to 45 min.
per day.

Cashlessday,

I saw your other posts. Thanks.

When you reduced simple sugars to increase PSADT, what did you remove from your diet?

What is the biggest diet threat to PSADT in your opinion?

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Age 64 in 2015
12/02 PSA 2.9 age 51
9/03 BX/DX, Gleason 6, 4 of 12 cores
9/03 Low dose brachytherapy
5/08 PSA nadir 1.1
12/08 PSA 1.8
2/09 BX/DX, Gleason 8, 1 of 12 cores
6/09 Hyperthermic Radiation, Hormone (short term), IMRT (10 fractions) spring 2009
10/09 PSA nadir < 0.1 10/09 through 01/12
4/12 PSA 0.2
3/14 PSA 2.9
5/14 C11 Acetate PT/CT, found 2.0 cm lymph node
5/14 Lupron/Casodex (9 months)
8/14 nadir <0.01
2/15 SBRT to node, at UCSD
3/15 PSA 0.02,T=0
6/15 PSA<0.015,T=105
9/15 PSA<0.1,T=278 Quest Lab

"When you reduced simple sugars to increase PSADT, what did you remove from your diet?"

"What is the biggest diet threat to PSADT in your opinion?"

Cicero, simple sugars include refined, raw, brown, honey, syrup and molasses.

That means no sweets, soda, and most juices. (POM seems to be ok, but I try to find pomegranates.)

Biggest diet threat are foods that produce an insulin shock. Test results for June 2014 was actually
a PSA reduction. I added a juice containing 3 or 4 good for you vegetables and 2 or 3 fruits. Started off
each day with this drink. PSADT went back to 7.1 months wiping out my zero growth PSA diet. My guess
is that blending the fruit made the sugar available, resulting in an insulin spike. The first meal is very
important since spikes can occur easily. Don't start the day with a coffee and two sugars, OJ, doughnut
or cereal from a box. I have steel cut oatmeal with walnuts, raspberries and almond or soy milk.

These diets appear to be quite sensitive to changes. I had a 44 month DT diet turn to a 6 month DT by
taking an iron supplement for only 2 weeks out of the 13 week test period. Another diet wiped out by
removing all soy from the diet. In each case I removed the suspected cause of the poor PSADT numbers
and the desirable DTs returned.

What is your absolute increase in PSA yearly?

Sheepguy and Rigby, I will get back to you soon.

Guests are coming tonight, and staying a while.

Cashless

Sorry, looks like they removed the spaces.

It actually looked good when I hit submit.

This is one of the better presentations on diet for PC.
You can just view the slides (just under the arrow).

Y'all know what I will say...Ill save my breath for more cardio so as to increase free radicals...so as to consume more antioxidants and say: Bozo...What a good boy am I....

.....or try this on Google;

"nutrition and diet for prostate cancer",oncolink

This is a good post that has info on diet results that some members have complied.

My GP wanted me to get more iron in my diet.

I told him about my experience with an iron
"supplement", and how it took a good diet with
a 44 months DT (doubling time) down to a
5.9 month DT. So, we agreed to try to increase
iron through food. This included spinach, pumpkin
seeds, clams etc. I don't eat meat...see the diet
at the top of this thread.

After two months on this enhanced iron diet I did
my ultrasensitive PSA test through Labcorp and the
PSADT was 7 months. So, I scraped that diet,
yelled at the doctor, and went back to my standard
PC diet plus extra mushrooms and a few "black fungus"
to atone for my iron digressions. I did this for 7 weeks
and retested.

This time PSA actually went "down" to about the
level it was before I added the higher iron foods
to the diet. This is the first time I was able
to actually reduce PSA to any significant extent
through diet.

So, it appears to me that iron content of food is
something you have to be aware of, and do not
start a meal with high iron foods. Second,
mushrooms and black fungus may be helpful.
I will look into this some more.

Cashless

Thank you Cashless - you inspired me to try this. It's early, but I feel great and have lost weight without intending to.

Wilderness.

Pratoman, I like to look at my diet and exercise effort as a working
hypothesis. I conclude nothing. But, so far when I add EXTRA iron,
either as a supplement or from food, PSA rises, and when I remove
these sources of iron, PSA behaves. Then I research iron and cancer,
and conclude that controlling iron (not trying to eliminating it) is reasonable.

Also, in addition to lowering dietary iron, when I added mushrooms and
"black fungus" also called "cloud ear fungus, and I dropped my 500 mg
Vitamin C supplement, my PSA, for the first time, showed a statistically
significant DECREASE. Cause and effect has not been proven, yet I will
continue to watch my iron and eat mushrooms and black fungus.

Concerning heart health, you might find the following interesting:

The effect of edible black tree fungus (Auricuaria auricula) on experimental atherosclerosis in rabbits.
Fan YM, Xu MY, Wang LY, Zhang Y, Zhang L, Yang H, Wang P, Cui P.
Abstract
The effects of edible black tree fungus (BFF) compared with aspirin on serum lipid level and experimental atherosclerosis and thrombosis in rabbits were studied. The results showed that total serum cholesterol and B-lipoprotein of the BTF group were significantly decreased (P less than 0.01) than the aspirin group and the group with neither BTF nor aspirin. There were less aortic atherosclerotic plaque and intramyocardial arterial lumen stenosis in the BTF group. The development of thrombus and platelet aggregation and thromboxane TXB2 level were inhibited both in the BTF and aspirin group (P less than 0.01). These findings indicate BTF may be used as a healthy food in preventing atherosclerosis and coronary heart disease, but its mechanism requires further investigation.

Cashless