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Posted 6/4/2018 1:46 PM (GMT 0)
I was always a guy who enjoyed a good meal. But I was never a sweets guy. More a good steak, or even a turkey sandwich.
But strange as it may seem, since a little while after my surgery 3 years ago. I find myself needing a sugar fix especially near the end of the day, every day. Especially ice cream and chocolate (milk, dark doesn’t do it). I’ll sometimes have fruit, but that doesn’t do it for me.
I was NEVER LIKE THIS BEFORE PROSTATE CANCER.

So I know this is crazy, and totally unscientific. But I started thinking, about I’ll I’ve read regarding sugar feeds cancer, and glucose, insulin growth factor, etc. Lately it’s been making me wonder if whatever cancer I have in my body that’s producing small amounts of PSA, could be making me crave sugar. Crazy, I know, but not out of character for me yeah

Anybody else have this experience?
Posted 6/4/2018 1:52 PM (GMT 0)
Prato, interesting observation and I'll look forward to what others have to say about this. For me, I have always craved sugar and simply try to control those impulses the best I can. But I'm expecting to die with a Hershey Bar in my hand...

Jim
Posted 6/4/2018 2:05 PM (GMT 0)
Not so much sugar, but I crave BBQ more. I guess that generally has molasses in it.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted 6/4/2018 2:10 PM (GMT 0)
I do have huge sweet cravings ...I forget if its more than before RP. Then, I just used to not think and go for it, now I have to resist and hence the craving gets worse. I always keep raisin and dates handy.
Posted 6/4/2018 2:23 PM (GMT 0)

Pratoman said...

But strange as it may seem, since a little while after my surgery 3 years ago. I find myself needing a sugar fix especially near the end of the day, every day. Especially ice cream and chocolate...

Well-known Serotonin Theory: the theory posits that diminished serotonin play a role in the pathophysiology of depression. So when you eat sugary (and carb-rich foods), that may be a way of self-medicating (thus your cravings) your depression. Chocolates, which you in particular noted, and other sugary sweets raise brain serotonin levels, which regulates mood upwards. Your high-protein steaks are bringing you down even more—lowering your serotonin—besides being a contributor to a heart-unhealthy diet.

Post Edited (NKinney) : 6/4/2018 9:54:52 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/4/2018 2:36 PM (GMT 0)
A small portion of dark chocolate might satisfy the craving and actually be a good thing. The darker the better and small means small (definitely not Tudpock's Hershey Bar smile More like one dark chocolate Hershey Kiss that you let melt in your mouth, savoring every bit of flavor until it's gone.
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Post Edited (clocknut) : 6/4/2018 9:07:30 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/4/2018 2:41 PM (GMT 0)
Prato...you ate the ice cream/milk combo ( just to be ornry against the whole pca/diet schtick) ice cream ...you liked it...who doesn't...you did it a few more times at about the same time...you developed a habit....imo it isn't much more than that...I don't know why good habits are hard to form and ez to break and bad habits are ez to form and hard to break...you could break this habit as well...but not as ez as it was to form...Im kinda into the Oscar Wilde taught..."best way to deal with temptation...yield to it "...just trying to simplify .. BUT " I don't know about these things...Im just a cave man lawyer " Phil Hartman...RIP
Off to Tasmania...thanks again Kiwi's
Posted 6/4/2018 3:42 PM (GMT 0)

NKinney said...

Pratoman said...

But strange as it may seem, since a little while after my surgery 3 years ago. I find myself needing a sugar fix especially near the end of the day, every day. Especially ice cream and chocolate...

Well-known Serotonin Theory: the theory posits that diminished serotonin play a role in the pathophysiology of depression. So when you eat sugary (and carb-rich foods), that may be a way of self-medicating (thus your cravings) your depression. Chocolates, which you in particular noted, and other sugary sweets raise brain serotonin levels, which regulates mood upwards. Your high-protein steaks are bringing you down even more—lowering your serotonin—besides being a contributor to a heart-unhealthy diet.


OMG, that makes incredible sense and explains a lot!
Posted 6/4/2018 3:44 PM (GMT 0)
wow, everybody is missing it: Aliens.

Best known as "The Greys," Aliens from Beta Nova 5 first landed in North America in 1947 near Roswell, NM. While mostly a peaceful life form, they brought the first cancer virus to earth. This was originally a biogenic weapon used by the Gron in their war against The Greys some 14,000 earth years ago. The Greys thought they'd eradicated the virus, but a dormant variant escaped their notice and was accidentally released on earth. This has cause the cancers we see today.

The Grey's vowed to eradicate this virus and in cooperation with the US Government, have maintained a research facility in Roswell since. Most improvements in cancer treatment can be traced back here.

One of the chief Grey scientists, Belic, has described this sugar need cancer has. The mechanism is an insidiously brilliant part of the original Gron weapon - not only does the victim get cancer but select neural transmitters are created to encourage the victim to consume foods that help the cancer grow.

So, Prat, yes - makes total sense to me.
Andrew
Posted 6/4/2018 4:44 PM (GMT 0)
@Andrew, you crack me up. You and PeterDisabelard should do a standup routine
@NoWhereman, except I'm not depressed. Actually pretty relaxed and happy, all things considered
@Jim/Tudpock - man after my own heart. I love Hershey Bars
@ddyss, at least i'm not the only one
@aleph, i love BBQ but it doesnt serve the same purpose for me as sugar even though the sauce is full o it
@logo, interesting observation, habits are easy to form, hard to break, very true.

I'm gonna do what i have to do to break the habit. As crazy as my theory sounds.
Thanks for the responses.
Posted 6/4/2018 4:53 PM (GMT 0)
I've really tried to go low carb the last two years, so I haven't much in the way of sugar during this time. Prior, I've never eaten much candy, but I've always loved desserts, including ice cream. And I would generally have a square or two of dark chocolate after meals.

That said, since I've started this I find it harder to avoid bread, potatoes, rice and pasta than sugar. So in my case, no increased sugar cravings and they might actually be down somewhat.
Posted 6/4/2018 5:13 PM (GMT 0)
Prato,

We have so many diet theories around here these days that I have trouble remembering who eats what. While NKenny's serotonin theory is interesting, a more straightforward supposition is that you might be getting a little bit hypoglycemic in the afternoon. This can happen if you have an over-vigorous insulin response to your lunch. People learn to self-medicate for that as well.

Before I adopted a lower-carb lifestyle my wife would keep energy bars in her purse to jump start me when I stalled while we were out and about. At home my preferred remedy was a peanut butter, banana, and honey sandwich on the softest, whitest bread available, served with a glass of cold milk and followed by a 15 minute sit down.

Since I've gone low-carb I don't generally crash in the afternoon.

You might look at the carbohydrate composition of your lunch.
Posted 6/4/2018 5:23 PM (GMT 0)
Gosh, I like my carbs as well! You mean to tell me that a bagel and Hersey Bar diet is no good?

Jim
Posted 6/4/2018 7:34 PM (GMT 0)
I agree on dark chocolate concept to stem the cravings. You get a few bites then it tends to get a bit bla and bitter to crave more. A good compromise. One of my go too is the Twilight Delight Bar (3.5 oz.) from Ghirardelli with 72% Cacao.
/www.ghirardelli.com/chocolate-and-gifts/treats-and-snacks/bars/dark-chocolate-72-cacao-bar-%2835-oz%29-60721
Posted 6/4/2018 7:44 PM (GMT 0)

Gear said...
I agree on dark chocolate concept to stem the cravings. You get a few bites then it tends to get a bit bla and bitter to crave more. A good compromise. One of my go too is the Twilight Delight Bar (3.5 oz.) from Ghirardelli with 72% Cacao.
/www.ghirardelli.com/chocolate-and-gifts/treats-and-snacks/bars/dark-chocolate-72-cacao-bar-%2835-oz%29-60721

Wow! LINK

One serving contains the full daily requirement of protien, total fat, and more than the full day's upper limit of recommended saturated fats (the "bad" fat)...plus, nearly the daily limit of both sodium and cholesterol. All that, and only 1,200 calories. Might taste good, but one bar should last a week...unless you are also working on some serious depression/mortality issues, in which case "go for it!"

Post Edited (NKinney) : 6/4/2018 2:20:28 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/4/2018 10:42 PM (GMT 0)

PeterDisAbelard. said...
Prato,

We have so many diet theories around here these days that I have trouble remembering who eats what. While NKenny's serotonin theory is interesting, a more straightforward supposition is that you might be getting a little bit hypoglycemic in the afternoon. This can happen if you have an over-vigorous insulin response to your lunch. People learn to self-medicate for that as well.

Before I adopted a lower-carb lifestyle my wife would keep energy bars in her purse to jump start me when I stalled while we were out and about. At home my preferred remedy was a peanut butter, banana, and honey sandwich on the softest, whitest bread available, served with a glass of cold milk and followed by a 15 minute sit down.

Since I've gone low-carb I don't generally crash in the afternoon.

You might look at the carbohydrate composition of your lunch.

Peter, that may be. I am very low crb all day, till the night. I generally have n egg white omelette with some type of high fiber vegetable in the morning, and fir lunch (when I eat lunch, which is most days) I have a salad. No refined carbs that would spike my BG. WHEN I OCCASIONALLY TEST MY BG IN THE LATE AFTERNOON ITS IN THE LOW TO MID 80’S, EXCEPT WHEN I HAVE AN EARLY BREAKFAST AND NO LUNCH IT GETS INTO THE 70’S.
Posted 6/4/2018 10:50 PM (GMT 0)
I've been dealing with Type Two Diabetes for the last few years. My wife and I have become pretty careful and moderate in what we eat. And then along comes a story such as this which just makes me shake my head and wonder "what the heck?" http://www.macon.com/latest-news/article212461029.html

So, my wife bought some Ghirardelli .375 oz squares of dark chocolate that have 60 calories, 5 grams total fat (8% of the DV)); 3g of saturated fat, no trans fats, no cholesterol, no sodium. 5g of total carbs (2% of DV); one gram of fiber, 3g of sugars, 1g of proteiin, all based on a 2000 calorie diet. ONE of these...not an entire 3.5 oz. bar. I'm bold enough to give it a try. I get my chocolate and sweetness fix in a fairly reasonable, fairly moderate way.

Post Edited (clocknut) : 6/4/2018 5:01:31 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/4/2018 11:00 PM (GMT 0)
this is off topic (possibly) and below the radar....but....I've always been a big sweets guy. And I've always known how to get the weight off. Since my surgery....the ways I used to get the weight off haven't been successful. (work out and exercise.....forces.....fosters better eating habits....the two combined....caused weight loss)

Since surgery...that formula doesn't work...at all. I'm at 200 lbs with a belly full a fat whether I eat junk and sweets all day or whether I exercise and eat right. I started a thread about how I thought RP affected my metabolism. I still believe it may have (or does)….but the thread got no traction. I'm alone on an island....no soul to share....my metabolic theory...they say that's normal fare.
Posted 6/4/2018 11:01 PM (GMT 0)

clocknut said...
I've been dealing with Type Two Diabetes for the last few years. My wife and I have become pretty careful and moderate in what we eat. And then along comes a story such as this which just makes me shake my head and wonder "what the heck?" http://www.macon.com/latest-news/article212461029.html

“Ussery said Witherington has previously credited her long life to living well and eating a lot of chocolate. She also loves Whopper Juniors and pizza.”

First I shook my head and told myself any effort I make is. Waste of energy. Then I realized, I never ate Whopper Juniors. I was always more interested in the double cheese whoppers.

nono
Posted 6/4/2018 11:56 PM (GMT 0)
I have always liked my treats. This time of year though I really like my berry pies, with strawberry and rhubarb being my favorite. To make matters worse my mom taught me how to make my own pie crust, so I will have some family bugging me for them to. Up in the Great White North we like our butter tarts made with raisins, you guys and gals in the USA will put pecans in them.

I guess I have not really seen a sugar increase I actually am trying to knock it down a wee bit, but it is the summer time now! smile
Posted 6/5/2018 1:08 AM (GMT 0)
To paraphrase St (tough if you no like title) Augustine...'eat what you will and love god'
and Prato...I think you missed my point...BAD habits are easy to form and hard to break
GOOD habits are hard to form and easy to break...I know...my truth was an after thought...and in the interest of brother hood you felt obliged to respond...as an after thought...as say they say when you are taking a test RTFQT...but then you were not taking a test...you were giving one...I'm so bad I'm good devil yeah I have no idea what you are talking about is sooo passe as a response(even if you rhetorically think it) to my posts.. rhetorical to all...oh...as is gibberish and all dat kine of nonsense...ummm...do I expect too much of folks??
Nah!!...ok...I'll take the response-ABILITY...I don't expect enough...


Its just a mood folks...I'll get over it...get over it...get...Daisy..Daisy give me an answer true...thats what a ripping day 2.5 hours in the surf...followed by 3 hours in the gym followed by...a couple of pints of Stone IPA's hi octane with a good pizza will do for an aging lad...
scool
Posted 6/5/2018 1:48 AM (GMT 0)

NKinney said...

Gear said...
I agree on dark chocolate concept to stem the cravings. You get a few bites then it tends to get a bit bla and bitter to crave more. A good compromise. One of my go too is the Twilight Delight Bar (3.5 oz.) from Ghirardelli with 72% Cacao.
/www.ghirardelli.com/chocolate-and-gifts/treats-and-snacks/bars/dark-chocolate-72-cacao-bar-%2835-oz%29-60721

Wow! LINK

One serving contains the full daily requirement of protien, total fat, and more than the full day's upper limit of recommended saturated fats (the "bad" fat)...plus, nearly the daily limit of both sodium and cholesterol. All that, and only 1,200 calories. Might taste good, but one bar should last a week...unless you are also working on some serious depression/mortality issues, in which case "go for it!"


Your numbers are way off, at least with 1,200 calories. Anyway, like I suggested (for reasons you point out) dark helps me minimize intake so I don't eat much. Pop in a small dark piece and your good to go!...... but it would bum me out if I am eating chocolate only because I am depressed or have mobility issues.
Posted 6/5/2018 1:50 AM (GMT 0)
Tudpock...Hersey bar... sounds like a glass of chocalate milk from " A Clockwork Orange...this is the time to say " I have no idea what you are talking about it"
Its ok I was going to start an OT thread on why puns/wordplay/newspeak and da like are actually very much connected to multi dimensional (oh heck lets go all the way} multiverses...no eyeroll...read up on the latest physics theories...of course I did not need to read them...as I created them...' crazy as I wanna be ' paraphrase of our soon to be new ambassador to NKorea… Dennis Rodman
Posted 6/5/2018 1:52 AM (GMT 0)
Prato sure has fun threads...no let it go to your head
Posted 6/5/2018 1:58 AM (GMT 0)
Not big on sweets before or during cancer. But I do love grape juice. Similar to Tudpock and his candy bar, I am hoping to die with the taste of grape juice in my mouth.
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