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Posted 8/19/2018 11:45 PM (GMT 0)
Andrew, I have the same problem with HDL. It’s been as “high” as 36, but right now it’s 26, with my TG at 379. It is, as I understand it, directly connected to TG, inversely, of course.

When I was completely low carb, low fat, and zero fast carbs (white food, with my only carbs coming from vegetables) my TG dropped from 350 to 85. No meds. That was 2 years ago. Then I started to get too loose, and gained back 20 if the 35 pounds I lost, and now I’ve got the problem again
Posted 8/19/2018 11:58 PM (GMT 0)
Drop the carbs and that should fix the weight and TG.

The recent research I've done suggests that low fat diets don't affect lipids.

Andrew
Posted 8/20/2018 2:35 AM (GMT 0)

Pratoman said...
Billybob, I did nothing about it. I asked my cardiologist about my theory that the statins are causing my elevated morning BS, he just shrugged and said, doesn’t matter, you need the statins, as long as your A1C is low, it’s not an issue.

Frankly, I think heart disease is more if a threat to my longevity than prostate cancer, so if the statin is contributing to my PSA rise (which I don’t think it is) so be it.

I’m trying hard to be less OCD about all this, I’ve been OCD and it hasn’t really gotten me anywhere. Just trying to eat healthy and drop some weight and still enjoy my time on earth 🌏

Well if that's the case("trying to drop some weight and still enjoy my time on earth"), then I think you might enjoy that bacon and egg breakfast like I often have! Dang it's good! yeah

Post Edited (BillyBob@388) : 8/19/2018 8:39:15 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/20/2018 2:55 AM (GMT 0)

Pratoman said...
Andrew, I have the same problem with HDL. It’s been as “high” as 36, but right now it’s 26, with my TG at 379. It is, as I understand it, directly connected to TG, inversely, of course.

When I was completely low carb, low fat, and zero fast carbs (white food, with my only carbs coming from vegetables) my TG dropped from 350 to 85. No meds. That was 2 years ago. Then I started to get too loose, and gained back 20 if the 35 pounds I lost, and now I’ve got the problem again

Just posted this in the other thread. I know this is not news for you, but it might be for some folks:

"BTW, just another reminder for any interested: my daughter just dropped a ton of weight eating alose to zero carb and high fat for several months. Lots of bacon and eggs and such as that(but almost no carb) Her HDL and triglycerides, though both were already good? Behold:

3/18.............................................6/18
HDL 56.........................................74

TGL 118..........................................67

How would you like a 74 HDL and a 67 TGL after eating all the fat needed to fill you up every day? "
/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=4037338

Post Edited (BillyBob@388) : 8/20/2018 3:18:01 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/20/2018 3:00 AM (GMT 0)
As I said in the other thread... WOW!!!
Posted 8/20/2018 9:13 PM (GMT 0)

Pratoman said...
As I said in the other thread... WOW!!!

Wow is right, IMO! What prescription meds are available, with all their expense and often also unwanted SEs, that can beat or even equal that? I'm thinking none. None can equal (for improving these supposedly important lab values) this way of eating that most authorities- even today- are telling us in really bad for us. I just saw a brand new news item today where a Harvard expert was declaring coconut oil deadly due to it's saturated fats. I won't be surprised if I see that on NBC nightly news.

But if saturated fats are so deadly, and if these lab tests are actually indicators of our health, then how is it that loading up on sat fats while cutting carbs can so drastically improve, in such a short time, the majority of these lab values? (and of course no one even measures insulin, which was probably changed as much or more than the other #s, but I suppose it is not really important eyes )

These doctrines from the establishment are very, very slow to change. The doctrine for 50 years has been "eat more carbs, less fat(USDA food pyramid), and especially avoid saturated fat like a plague." And "replace animal fat with various vegetable oils and even some transfats for good measure". People have pretty much tried to obey. And industry was glad to help by offering low fat, high carb products. So, of course, naturally enough, the obesity and diabetes rates have literally skyrocketed.

Post Edited (BillyBob@388) : 8/20/2018 3:16:53 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/21/2018 2:41 PM (GMT 0)

RCS said...
During my wife’s annual medical checkup her doctor stated that she would be on statins by the time she was 71 years old. Since she has none of the conditions that you would think would lead to a need for statins, she asked why. The doctor whipped out his computer and walked her through a program that “showed” by the time she reached 71 it would be advisable to take a statin (I hope I am getting this right .... I was not there). This got me to thinking and searching for a reason why. Here’s one article that kinda sorta explains why. Hope you find it as interesting:
/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/statins-older-people-men-women-health-benefits-prescription-study-research-safety-a7869606.html

Ps. I am over 71 years old and went on statins after a pulmonary embolism.

It just occurred to me, some people might think of those with their never ending recommendations for more drugs- and often with expense or worse SEs be danged- as "drug pushers".
Posted 8/21/2018 6:04 PM (GMT 0)
Yeah “Better Living by Chemistry”. Glad you got the point.
Posted 8/22/2018 1:38 AM (GMT 0)
Andrew,

It may be that the primary benefit of statins is an anti-inflammatory benefit (pleotropic) that is a primary mechanism causing acute coronary syndrome or stroke. Other drugs such as niacin lower LDL nicely and actually increase HDL by 10% or so but have not been routinely shown to affect heart disease or longevity.

Very low fat diets have a pronounced effect on lowering LDL and HDL. When I was on a ultra low fat diet 20 years ago, my LDL was in the 70's and my HDL was 40. On a diet that is closer to a Mediterranean Diet, my LDL is 100 and my HDL is 60. I wonder if over time your HDL will increase with your higher fat diet. However, there are many that genetically have low HDL's.

Paul
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