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Posted 3/13/2019 6:07 PM (GMT 0)
I'm calm, whats the issue? Seems like a good discussion to me. Discussion on a discussion board is a good thingsmile

Whoever isn't calm, have a Snickers bar - You know how you get when you are hungry.

Post Edited (NotBubba) : 3/13/2019 12:22:55 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/13/2019 6:29 PM (GMT 0)
Lol! Good commercials. Aretha, Liza, Elton. You know you’re having a bad day when your inner diva comes out.
Posted 3/13/2019 6:37 PM (GMT 0)

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Come on guys, Calm down.

I'll check this when I get back from the onco, and decide if I'm going to lock it.

I be calm! ;) Hopefully we will all remain that way!
Posted 3/13/2019 7:05 PM (GMT 0)
https://www.calm.com/
Posted 3/13/2019 7:20 PM (GMT 0)
A little toke and a bit of Jack will fix things.
Posted 3/13/2019 9:46 PM (GMT 0)
Bubba you know full well if SELECT had come out in your favor you'd be dancing in the streets - it didn't so you look for any speck of info to delegitimize it. We've been down this road before. No vitamin, no supplement, no witches brew of hemp oil, apricot seeds, and hydrogen peroxide, mixed with vitamin E, does a thing to help prostate, or any other, cancer - but it can, and does, hurt people. Vitamin scammers sell billions of dollars worth of junk every single year to desperate people. The FDA should drive them out of business.
Posted 3/13/2019 10:23 PM (GMT 0)
Bubba you know full well if SELECT had come out in your favor you'd be dancing in the streets - it didn't so you look for any speck of info to delegitimize it.
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My favor?? You are wrong there. I dont have a horse in this race. I take the Gamma form of vitamin E because I read the research. If the form a vitamin E used in select wasn't proven to be the wrong kind, I assure you I would be taking that. SELECT was supposed to work based on previous studies, so when something is supposed to work and doesn't we need to look into what went wrong. Thats only logical, right?

"No vitamin, no supplement, no witches brew of hemp oil, apricot seeds, and hydrogen peroxide, mixed with vitamin E, does a thing to help prostate, or any other, cancer - but it can, and does, hurt people"
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Thats a bit extreme, a little like saying broccoli, kale and water doesn't do anything good but can only hurt people. Those evil people at the supermarket push this stuff on us. The FDA should drive those broccoli pushers out of business.

"Vitamin scammers sell billions of dollars worth of junk every single year to desperate people."
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Bingo, We agree on one. But that's not the case here. This is research, no one is selling anything. Here's a short easy to read summary - I dont know much about this site but they dont sell anything.
https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/ncis-flawed-select-study-attacks-vitamin-e

The SELECT trial used non-natural and chemically-derived vitamin E (dl-alpha tocopherol acetate) at a dose of 400 IU per day. Any time you see an "l" after the "d" in a vitamin E product throw it in the trash where it belongs.

This isn't rocket science...
But its an important topic.
Mods, I had my snickers bar, i'm good.

Post Edited (NotBubba) : 3/13/2019 4:56:58 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/13/2019 11:00 PM (GMT 0)

Buddy Blank said...
Bubba you know full well if SELECT had come out in your favor you'd be dancing in the streets - it didn't so you look for any speck of info to delegitimize it. We've been down this road before. No vitamin, no supplement, no witches brew of hemp oil, apricot seeds, and hydrogen peroxide, mixed with vitamin E, does a thing to help prostate, or any other, cancer - but it can, and does, hurt people. Vitamin scammers sell billions of dollars worth of junk every single year to desperate people. The FDA should drive them out of business.

Buddy, no offense! But, that seems a little extreme or maybe overstated. I'm not sure how you can say with such certainty- what level of proof you have available to you- to be able to say " No vitamin, no supplement.......does a thing to help prostate, or any other, cancer - but it can, and does, hurt people". Again, maybe it is just me, but that seems a bit of a stretch to me.

Do you recall previous RCTs I had posted on supplementation of vitamin D vs breast cancer, where there were very significant benefits for those supplemented, and the higher the blood levels, the better they did? In fact, the very highest levels did significantly better than the simply well above average levels. And, on a personal level, I suspect there might be something to all of that since my niece's cancer doctor(she was diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer 8 years ago) has had her on 10,000 IUs/day of vitamin D for some years. Perhaps coincidentally, it certainly does not appear to have hurt her any.

Now I'm not ready to yet claim there is indisputable proof that some vitamins might be helpful with some cancers, but it does seem to me there is enough evidence to show your claim as a bit of a stretch. Of course, I could be wrong and you might be right. Your thoughts?
Posted 3/13/2019 11:01 PM (GMT 0)
No thanks Bubba - I'm buying what you're selling. Your source is Natural News, a known kook site. It is run by the so-called Health Ranger, Mike Adams. This is a man against science. He's a fraud. Listen to what Mark Alsip, blogger at Bad Science Debunked said about Adams: "I recently lost a sister to cancer and saw firsthand how much pain, confusion, and false hope can be caused by the pseudoscience peddled by sites like Natural News. Given that they and their writers sell products that contain the same ingredients they link to cancer, I feel obligated to speak out about what appears to be an example of dangerous consumer fraud."

Adams is against vaccines. He's crazy a craphouse rat.
Posted 3/13/2019 11:43 PM (GMT 0)
I'd like to comment on the vit D comment about "d/l" designation.

In organic chemical synthesis (organic meaning carbon containing, not "natural"), some compounds form left handed and right handed products, usually in 50/50 ratios. This is the basis of the d/l pairing: "d" means dextro-rotary--which means that it rotates polarized light to the right, and "l" means levulo-rotary, which means it rotates polarized light to left. It is possible to separate the two types (called Chiral pairs) by using a solvent that matches the d/l rotation of the one you want to remove.

What's interesting about these pairs is that in most cases, only 1 is biologically active. The way they react with enzymes is based on the d/l rotation of the enzyme. Your body makes enzymes that are active with "d" form Vit D, and ignore the "l" form. Yes, ignore. The presence of the 'l' form in a synthetic vitamin has no bearing on what happens inside your body. Literally, you excrete it unchanged.

I get so frustrated, as a chemist by profession, with the argument that says that "natural" chemicals are better than "synthetic" ones--chemically, made properly, they are the same, and your body doesn't know the difference. Now, natural products have other things present, the so-called micronutrients that we may not know what they are. But, in their pure form, there is no difference between natural vitamin D and synthetic vitamin D. They are the same chemical.
Posted 3/14/2019 12:09 AM (GMT 0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqohhalk69k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sqatyzplju
Posted 3/14/2019 12:38 AM (GMT 0)
"Your source is Natural News, a known kook site."
I said I didn't know anything about the site, the explanation was clear. Attacking the site serves no purpose. Read all of this if you prefer from NCBI -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3022975/
Posted 3/14/2019 2:07 AM (GMT 0)
The OP thanked us for our comments and left this thread TWO days ago.

This has been dragged off topic and used for the usual pro/anti supplement junk that always gets a thread locked.

So here. Again. For the (I don't remember how many)th time.
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