The Game Changers - Vegan Diet

81GyGuy's thread on Obesity in the U.S. made me think of a movie

i watched one of the many Documentaries on Netflix that promotes vegan, last night. "The Game Changers" This one was particularly impressive though. The comments and interviewees were not the usual Doctors, like Michael Gerber and Esselstyn and Ornish, or the usual anti meat eating activists. They were celebrities. Mostly athletes. Talking about and being shown as examples of, the benefits of veganism that improve performance, overall health, and general well being.
The entire offensive line of the Carolina Panthers went vegan, and their performance in games improved exponentially. (my words).

You dont need Netflix to watch it, its on Vimeo, or you can go to the website, https://gamechangersmovie.com/the-film/where-to-watch/ where you can not only find multiple ways to watch, but also their philosophy, methodology, recipes, etc.

For some reason, this one struck me more than some of the others I've watched.

I haven't found their profit motive yet, i am sure there is one, but they only offer a signup page for their newsletter. If you are interested in promoting general health through diet, its worth watching. There is a fleeting reference to how vegan diet helps prevent cancer in general, and Prostate Cancer (among others) specifically (NOT CURES, PREVENTS, JUST SO WE ARE CLEAR)

So I am pretty much all vegan .... no meat; however, I have found I can be vegan and still take in a lot of crap.

In the last week I’ve devoured copious amounts of scotch, Pringle’s, Christmas cookies, birthday cake, candy and other artery clogging goodies .... guess I am lucky I’m on Eliquis and Lipitor!

One thing to remember that while veganism grew out of the natural food/vegetarian world, it has embraced the "no animal products" in a big way. It's a diet, but can also be seen as a social/political movement aimed at changing people's behavior regard the consuming of animal products. Not all of the diet recommendations for vegans are based on health, much is based not 'exploiting animals'. It's part diet and part social statement. It has to be high carb.

So where are the stats about vegans NOT getting cancer? Everytime I turn around there is new show about the value of veganism, and if it's such a great diet, why don't these shows lead with empirical evidence that vegans do not get cancer relative carnivores? If you want me to be vegan then please show us the evidence.

Ken, as soon as you said celebrities were involved or pushing this diet you lost me big time!!!! These fricking people don't live in the real world but push their bull crap!!!!!!! We don't need that on this forum!!!! The only celebrity we should be looking up to is Todd-1963 he's a celebrity for our PCa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Larry

InTheShop said...
One thing to remember that while veganism grew out of the natural food/vegetarian world, it has embraced the "no animal products" in a big way. It's a diet, but can also be seen as a social/political movement aimed at changing people's behavior regard the consuming of animal products. Not all of the diet recommendations for vegans are based on health, much is based not 'exploiting animals'. It's part diet and part social statement. It has to be high carb.

Andrew i agree with this (bolded part). Thats what turned me on about the movie i mentioned. There was none of that. It was all about well being. None of the bleeding heart talk of being kind to animals (not that thats a bad thing, but i am most interested in my own well being right at the moment). At least the social aspect was never, as i recall (i fell asleep for about 10 minutes in the middle) mentioned.

I certainly wish diet was not political but I understand why it is: proselytizing. This usually comes from those who are either so convinced their diet is superior that everyone should commit to it or they have a profit motive.

For me, I took on a vegetarian diet about 40 years ago after being diagnosed with hypertension and realizing that males in my family drop dead in their 60s due to cardio-vascular disease. In an attempt to avoid that I made some lifestyle changes which included diet, exercise, avoiding bad family habits like smoking, and learning techniques to deal with stress.

A vegetarian diet is not necessary to achieve my goal but I am the kind of guy who will stick to a plan if there is a strong discipline practice involved. I did the same regarding exercise, seeing how many days in a row I could without missing a day of working out (run, bike, swim, etc). I made it 17-1/2 years without missing a day. Prostatectomy broke that streak.

Diet-wise, I liked what I learned about food and cooking as a result. I discovered more and more foods I had never tried before and this just added to the adventure. I have "dabbled" in veganism several times, for as long as 2 years at a stretch, during which I trained for and ran my second marathon. I didn't worry about B-12 since I use copious amounts of fortified nutritional yeast in my recipes.

As to the measurable health benefit, if I stay mostly vegan, my cholesterol stays under 200. If I stray off the reservation it goes over that.

That's what works for me. I am not offended or threatened by whatever anyone else chooses to eat or drink.

If your vegan you never get to taste Texas BBQ, Chicken Fried Steak, or Pork Tamales. Tomorrow I'll have Christmas Tamales. Merry Christmas.

Just watched it Ken - it's well done. Some parallels to cigarettes and smoking. It will come around...slowly.

Those are some impressive athletes.

Thanks for your post.

- Wilderness.

island time said...
George Carlin had some insight into this.

"Go into any health food store and what do you see? Skin and bone people so skinny their eyes are buggin' out of their head. They're white as ghosts....and look as if they'll be one soon.

Go into any McDonalds during lunch. And what do you see? Chiseled, muscled, tan men who carry cinder blocks around all day in 100 degree heat.

You tell me who's healthier!"

Must be old enough to remember people saying the similar things about cigarettes - remember TV commercials starring athletes and the Marlboro Man & touting health benefits? Now with diabetes epidemic, heart disease a leading killer, obesity rampant. It will come around eventually.

Wilderness

A few years ago when I was diagnosed Stage 4 PC, I gave up chicken, fish & alcohol. Everything else had been vegetarian with those exceptions. Now I've been vegan (all organic)& no alcohol the past few years--and I do this not because of any Cure for Cancer, Truth about Cancer programs, but because I'm trying to be 100% clean as I deal with the Lupron/Taxotere/Zytiga/Qgeva lifestyle I've moved into. Living in Southern California makes this easy--between grocery stores and restaurants, many which are vegan only gourmet spots.

My Cholesterol and other blood results are fine. When protein goes to the low end of acceptable, I hit the nuts and peanut butter for awhile. But all monthly labs are fine and I DO know that I have more energy on this diet since I eliminated dairy, animal products & alcohol. Within a month of starting that diet I went from 215 to 195 lbs.

I guess it's nearly impossible to KNOW what's kept some of your PC at bay, but I believe my diet helps.