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Bosco
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Joined : Nov 2016
Posts : 64
Posted 1/18/2020 2:02 PM (GMT 0)
Diagnosed with PCa the end of 2016 -
09/16 PSA 7.0
Had SBRT at MSKCC in 02/2017
Post tx test results:
06/17 - 2.13
12/17 - 2.44
03/18 - 1.66
06/18 - 1.63
12/18 - 2.43
01/19 - 1.63
07/19 - 1.22
01/20 - 0.86
I am pleased that my PSA is dropping but is it happening quickly enough or does that not matter as long as it's going in the "right direction" ?
JNF
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Joined : Dec 2010
Posts : 5986
Posted 1/18/2020 2:42 PM (GMT 0)
This trend is your friend. Relax, it takes time for all the PCa critters to die off. In the meantime they are harmless due to the radiation damage. You have reached a nadir, so far, of 0.86, which is good. Your PSA still can go lower and it takes some men five years or more to reach the nadir.
How are you doing with any negative treatment side effects?
mattam
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Posts : 4323
Posted 1/18/2020 2:47 PM (GMT 0)
Yep, your trend is looking very good. đź‘Ť
Bosco
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Joined : Nov 2016
Posts : 64
Posted 1/18/2020 2:48 PM (GMT 0)
No side effects other than decreased ejaculate.
Very pleased with the lack of side effects.
Stephen S
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Joined : Oct 2019
Posts : 693
Posted 1/18/2020 4:09 PM (GMT 0)
JNF said...
.... it takes time for all the PCa critters to die off.
This cracked me up!
InTheShop
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Joined : Jan 2012
Posts : 11468
Posted 1/18/2020 5:42 PM (GMT 0)
You're doing great!!! It can take years to kit nadir.
Paxton
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Posts : 1487
Posted 1/18/2020 7:59 PM (GMT 0)
I'd say you're doing just fine, Bosco. As I've mentioned in some other recent posts, my PSA trajectory is similar to yours. My RO, uro and I are all fine with things as they are. I was treated in November of 2016, and my PSA has gone down from 5.69 to 1.5-ish, with a couple of bounces. As long as the trend is downward, and the bounces are up/down, we are fine to ride it out.
The tall fellow who used to be here related to us that his PSA took about
6 years to nadir after SBRT, and my RO said that she has a patient who was treated (again, SBRT) over 7 years ago, and his is still going down.
Let's just enjoy the ride!
Bosco
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Joined : Nov 2016
Posts : 64
Posted 1/18/2020 8:12 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks everyone....feeling more confident.
Have an appt. with RO on Monday so anxious to hear his take.
Pratoman
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Posts : 9890
Posted 1/18/2020 8:58 PM (GMT 0)
Bosco, I echo what others have said, the trend is your friend.
I was treated at MSKCC , salvage radiation, (very different than SBRT) and I too was amazed at the lack of side effects, so far. Finished radiation 14 months ago. I believe it’s in part, due to the skill of the technicians there, as well as most u- to date hardware and software. I hope that continues for us both
garyi
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Posted 1/18/2020 9:25 PM (GMT 0)
Down is good, very good, Bosco!
pasayten
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Posted 1/18/2020 10:29 PM (GMT 0)
Bosco... All looking good... Enjoy your life...
pasayten
Bosco
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Joined : Nov 2016
Posts : 64
Posted 1/19/2020 10:44 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks everyone for taking the time to comment !
MG0351
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Joined : Jul 2018
Posts : 345
Posted 1/19/2020 3:30 PM (GMT 0)
Down is good.
Bosco
Regular Member
Joined : Nov 2016
Posts : 64
Posted 1/20/2020 1:16 PM (GMT 0)
Another question:
How often do you see your RO for follow up?
I'm now 3 years post tx with downward trend and wonder if I need to be seen every 6 months and if I still should have PSA every 6 months ?
halbert
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Joined : Dec 2014
Posts : 6043
Posted 1/20/2020 2:40 PM (GMT 0)
I'm not a radiation patient but....my doc does 6 month PSA and visit up to 5 years, then annual thereafter. My 5 year RALP anniversary is Feb 17, my next blood work and dr visit is in late March.
JNF
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Posts : 5986
Posted 1/20/2020 2:54 PM (GMT 0)
After the first year, I saw my RO annually until the fifth year. Haven’t seen him since, but my urologist sends my PSA and exam results after each visit. My RO group keeps long term records on patients so they can know the long term results of their work. They have over 20 years of HDR brachytherapy experience and results. They share the information with patients, but haven’t formally published them.
I continue to see my urologist quarterly with PSA due to my high risk diagnosis and significant tumor load at that time. My uro group keeps high risk men very close so they can find possible recurrences quickly. A lot can happen in a year, they say. I have discussed less frequent testing and my uro will go along with it, but suggests against it for now.
InTheShop
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Posts : 11468
Posted 1/20/2020 3:40 PM (GMT 0)
My RO discharged me back to my PCP right after treatment ended. I had six month tests until about
7 years out when I've been switched to once a year.
Unless you're having problems, there's no real reason to be followed by the RO post treatment.
My PCP has been able to help me manage all the post RT issues and refer me to the correct specialists.
Andrew
DjinTonic
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Posted 1/20/2020 4:19 PM (GMT 0)
Of course the dynamics of post-primary treatment vary between RP and RT, but PSA monitoring frequency can also be negotiated somewhat with your doc. At my 2-year mark with 3-month uPSA testing after my RP with a G9 (4+5) pT2 with no major negative path features, my uro told me
he
was comfortable going to 6-month testing, but I should choose whatever interval
I'm
most comfortable with, 3, 4, or 6 months.
When I told him at that visit I'd like to do 4-month, and if all was still stable, go to 6-month at 3 years out, he said OK, but if I changed my mind, to just call the office. He also mentioned that he didn't think there would be any problem with insurance coverage for continuing 3-month uPSA with my status if I so choose. (When I asked whether we could skip 8 months if the first 4-month test was OK, to get me to 3 years, and then go to every 6-months, he said that long an interval wasn't a good idea.)
The test schedule will vary doc to doc, but they will all monitor closely higher-risk patients in the beginning and then space out tests in time, results permitting.
Djin
JNF
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Posted 1/20/2020 4:42 PM (GMT 0)
Reflecting back on my follow-up RO visits there was a significant routine the clinic followed. It would start with me filling out rather extensive questionnaires regarding urinary, bowel and sexual functions. Then the main nurse wold get my vitals, height weight etc. Then she would take me throughout the clinic and check in with the various team members that shared in my treatments for a “hi, how are you, good to see you” discussion. Then I would spend about
30 minutes with the RO. He would review my treatment with as much detail as I wanted, go over areas that I would be watchful for negative treatment damage and side effects, and then show me charts of their clinical results going back many years and showed how I was doing versus their treatment population. He would also share new studies, papers etc. regarding the treatment I had. Very thorough and always informative.
In one visit I remarked about
meeting with the team members and he explained that often they ask about
how people are doing post treatment. After all, they usually see the person every day for several months. So he started including them in the follow-up routine. He said it did a lot to help them see the fruits of their work with the successes and kept them respectful and humble regarding the patients that did not do as well. He managed a completely patient centric clinic and made sure that every patient was a person not a wrist band and chart. All the team members were respectful, pleasant and very attentive to each patient. Thus, I always enjoyed the follow-up visits so I could also learn how they were progressing with families and such.
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