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Posted 12/3/2022 5:36 AM (GMT 0)
I just read a report on high intensity aerobic exercise and the effects of lessening metastatic cancer. The report said a study showed a 72% decrease in metastatic cancer and shrinking tumors in those who regularly did high intensity aerobic exercise. This result was in both mice and humans. Unfortunately while on ADT keeping my heart rate 50% above resting for any length of time is really hard. As always I have no way of sharing this article as my computer skills are nil. If anyone thinks this might be important here and can publish the link, go for it. If it turns out to be legit, it would have been nice to know in my younger years when I had no trouble exercising at high intensity. My best to all.
Jack
Posted 12/3/2022 9:46 AM (GMT 0)
Here's at lease one of the articles:

https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/health/2258099-study-suggests-aerobic-exercise-lowers-risk-of-metastatic-cancer#:~:text=according%20to%20a%20new%20study%2c%20aerobic%20exercise%20can,the%20amount%20of%20energy%20cancer%20has%20access%20to.
Posted 12/3/2022 5:51 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks Steve for the link. It is not the same one I read, but it has the same information. My best to you.
Jack
Posted 12/9/2022 7:13 PM (GMT 0)
It seems for some reason, that this article relating to high intensity aerobic exercise and reduction of metastastic cancer and other articles relating to high intensity exercise and lowering of cardio vascular incidents, extending life, plus a bunch more health benefits have been making their way onto the internet. I have noticed lots of studies relating to the benefits of exercise on our general health over the years but high intensity aerobic exercise health benefits seem to be popping up a number of times recently.

If these studies are reliable, i guess any recommendation from studies that lower public health costs and give our citizens better quality of life shouldn't be ignored.

Dave
Posted 12/10/2022 3:21 AM (GMT 0)
I’ve seen trials related to this that are recruiting. Seems like a no- brainer to participate if you fit the criteria. Here’s one in the UK.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04507698

Search results on clinical trials.gov. Sorry for the bad links.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=Prostate+Cancer&term=Aerobic&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=
Posted 12/10/2022 4:34 AM (GMT 0)
Exercise is also one of the most effective ways to counter depression, BTW.
Posted 12/11/2022 8:49 PM (GMT 0)
A side question. What about anaerobic exercise?. I mean to increase muscle, or just try to maintain it, calisthenics, iron pumping, etc.
It is good to prevent injuries and to feel stronger which, at our age, is a significant psychological benefit. But they increase T and we know this may help PCa. Is there any study about it?.
Posted 12/12/2022 12:30 PM (GMT 0)
Learn something new everyday...

What Is Anaerobic Exercise?
"Anaerobic exercise is any exercise that occurs in the absence of oxygen.

Unlike aerobic exercise, which uses oxygen for energy, anaerobic exercise involves intense, powerful muscle contractions that require energy faster than oxygen can be supplied. Since an alternative energy source is needed, the body uses glycogen (a form of glucose) that is stored within muscles as fuel."

My old school of thought-> Anything I do is better then nothing....
Posted 12/12/2022 4:13 PM (GMT 0)

Steve n Dallas said...

My old school of thought-> Anything I do is better then nothing....


Yes, Sir. I don't think it takes a whole lot to be a lot better than nothing. There can be a big difference between sitting on one's butt 24 hours a day and only sitting on one's butt for 23.5 hours a day. 🙂

Picking an activity that is doable and sustainable can be the most important part of the whole thing.
Posted 12/12/2022 7:20 PM (GMT 0)
Common sense is way better than a study that says high intensity workouts shrink cancer. Did they do a study on other exercise shrinking cancer? To me common sense says if going out and sprinting is good then a brisk walk has to be good. I've always believed that exercise helps your body against things like cancer or heart issues. It just makes sense. I can run several miles in grass but if I try to sprint 40 yards my knee will go out and I won't be able to walk without pain for several months. Movement is movement. Enjoy a walk, it's good for you, and leave the sprinting to the mice.
Posted 12/13/2022 9:26 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks for this post, Jack 64
Not sure if this is one you saw,
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20221114/high-intensity-aerobic-exercise-can-cut-metastatic-cancer-risk-by-7225.aspx
I like the part in the summary that reads "Our study, examining the internal organs, discovered that exercise changes the whole body, so that the cancer cannot spread, and the primary tumor also shrinks in size."

Here's a couple of other fairly recent studies:
https://www.health.harvard.edu/mens-health/exercise-may-slow-prostate-cancer-growth
https://www.procure.ca/en/2020/06/09/benefits-walking-prostate/

Nice, this search led me to a new webpage called "Procure"

Looks like these studies point out benefits for early stage PC ... but I am thinking not so much when it has already metastasized? But undoubtedly its good to exercise! Got to get to it! Just do it!!! Run, walk , move!.
Winging it
Posted 12/13/2022 5:35 PM (GMT 0)
If he thinks he feels better after exercise, I'll all for it. Anything to help the "mood" around the house helps me.
Posted 12/13/2022 7:01 PM (GMT 0)
Whether it’s as a cancer preventative or a general fitness goal, regular exercise is valuable BUT it’s difficult to get started. However, at some point (different for everyone) a habit is formed and it can become part of a routine. Again, the trick is to get started and to keep at it until the habit is formed.

Finding the motivation during that habit forming period is the biggest gumption trap. For me, the motivation was the challenge/game of seeing how many days in a row I could do an workout (run, bike, swim, etc.) without missing a day. On Day One, after the workout (brisk walking), I wrote a 1 on my calendar. On Day 2, I wrote a 2 and on and on. By day 23 I was hooked and I made it 17-1/2 years without missing a day. The day I missed was the day I had RALP. Now I still workout most days but take the occasional day off. I also vary the workouts: swimming, running, jump rope, bicycling. Getting out and going places helps so I run outside all year, including our Montana winters. I NEVER run on a treadmill but have friends who love it. It also helps to have friends to workout with. I swim with my wife and have regular running partners. The social aspect keeps it attractive.
Posted 12/14/2022 1:15 AM (GMT 0)
Clinical trials regarding the health benefits of moderate and vigorous exercise in relation to the cardio vascular system and heart attacks, the number 1 killer of adults in the US, have been around for decades. The percentage differences between moderate/vigorous and non exercisers regarding cardiovascular incidents/death are staggering.

In the above report about vigorous aerobic exercise lessening the effects of metastatic cancer, studies show that there is a direct coralation in mice and humans, of shrinking tumors by starving the cancer cells of sugar that is burned by the body when involved in high activity aerobic exercise. Since this is a fairly new study without a lot of other similar studies to back up their data, it is maybe premature to say that this is the real deal.

But we know from years of clinical trials that the benefits of moderate/vigorous exercise on the cardiovascular system is conclusive, why not include in your low energy exercise program a little bit of intensity even for a few seconds at a time increasing the time and volume of your exercise as time goes by. If the above study is the real deal, you may just shrink your PC tumors and also your heart will thank you.

A large group of us older men and women have been implementing this kind of exercise program for years, mainlly moderate/intense exercise for 1-3 hours a day year round. Once you make it a priority, its as easy as breathing.

Dave
Posted 12/14/2022 3:43 PM (GMT 0)
I’ve been dealing with moderately high blood pressure, systolic only. I saw a new cardiologist, wanting someone near my home in Florida where I spend 5 months a year. Her were his words to me….
“Your meds are not going to cure your blood pressure. You should consider them supplemental. What will cure your BP is exercise. If you exercise at least 30-40 minutes a day, hard enough to break a sweat, every day, your blood pressure will drop, and you’ll get a lot of other benefits and probably live a longer life.”

My Systolic has been around 140. Yesterday the day after my appointment, I started, doing a 30 minute spin class (on you tube, not a group class), in the morning. I took my bp multiple times during the day, and systolic was consistently in the 120’s. Of course today it’s back to 135-140, it will take time to normalize permanently, but still, it was pretty surprising to see a result so quickly, albeit, temporary.

Bottom line, as if we need to be told, exercise is good, for a lot of things, and yeah, maybe for cancer too.
Posted 12/15/2022 9:55 AM (GMT 0)
Hey Pratoman - my My Systolic has been around 130'ish.... and that's with a mild BP med.... A couple of months ago I added walking REAL FAST at intervals to my morning walks.

I recently got the newest Covid 19 shot and donated blood... My Systolic was in the teens both times that it was checked.

I added the fast walking because the Pickleball lessons I was taking was tougher then I thought they'd be. So beefing up my cardio exercise sure has helped. Eventually, playing Pickleball on a regular basis should also help a lot.
Posted 12/15/2022 7:51 PM (GMT 0)
Not related to metastatic cancer, but I happened to be training for a marathon when I opted for RALP surgery. I switched my "race date" to my surgery date, and tapered as if I was racing that day. The surgeon commented that I really "stacked the deck" in my favor, and we all were happy with my post-op recovery. I'm a firm believer in the need to move. I can see how it would help with metastatic cancer and other serious diseases. Although I generally move/exercise a lot, my Apple Watch's Fitness app is a nice tool to ensure that I do so.
Posted 12/17/2022 9:07 PM (GMT 0)

Steve n Dallas said...
Hey Pratoman - my My Systolic has been around 130'ish.... and that's with a mild BP med.... A couple of months ago I added walking REAL FAST at intervals to my morning walks.

I recently got the newest Covid 19 shot and donated blood... My Systolic was in the teens both times that it was checked.

I added the fast walking because the Pickleball lessons I was taking was tougher then I thought they'd be. So beefing up my cardio exercise sure has helped. Eventually, playing Pickleball on a regular basis should also help a lot.

started doing 30 minute spin class (you tube, not live in person), daily, (and cut salt intake by about 70%) this week. At first, pressure dropped to around 120/65. now its back ini the 130s. But I'll keep at it.
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