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Wife#1
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Posted 12/7/2023 1:04 AM (GMT 0)
Husband has been on a 3 month PSA schedule since RP 09/2022.
PSA has been <0.04, 0.05, <0.04, 0.05 and this week 0.66.
We saw Dr. today and he will do repeat PSA and then a PSMA.
Our plan would be to have second opinion at Roswell Park Cancer Center.
We went to Roswell in beginning of this journey and really liked the radiation Doctor. He was also the Dr. that said he would not do radiation and that surgery was his best option.
We were expecting this, but it still is not easy for me.
Any advice is much appreciated. Thank you for all the support
F8
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Posted 12/7/2023 1:08 AM (GMT 0)
"He was also the Dr. that said he would not do radiation and that surgery was his best option."
what an odd thing for a radiation doc to say. i would not like him
that's a pretty big rise. if it were me i'd test again and if the rise is confirmed i'd talk to a DIFFERENT radiation oncologist. good luck!
JNF
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Posted 12/7/2023 2:14 AM (GMT 0)
Wife#1. If the RO wouldn’t perform radiotherapy as primary treatment with that diagnosis, he would be professionally hypocritical to perform the salvage radiation, in my opinion. Exactly what were the reasons he stated to deny your husband radiotherapy to begin with? Did you seek an assessment with another RO, or just go with the surgery?
I agree with Ed. Find a top notch RO that does a lot of prostate salvage radiation work including pelvic lymph nodes.
Wife#1
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Posted 12/7/2023 1:55 PM (GMT 0)
F8 and JNF, thank you
We went to the Urologist that has a Cancer Center also. We saw their surgeon and radiologist. RO said because of his severe Urinary issues he would TURP first and then 45 radiation treatments.
We went to Roswell and saw a surgeon and the RO. We saw the Chief of the Dept and he spent a long time with us. His recommendation was Husband was not a good candidate for radiation due to urinary issues. He said he would not do radiation. We did like his straight forward , tell it like it is manner. We had decided that if he needed radiation , we would go to Roswell.
Husband decided on surgery and here we are.
Had repeat PSA yesterday so waiting for the result.
JNF
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Posted 12/7/2023 6:13 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for the excellent explanation. Did removing the prostate resolve the urinary issues?
I still suggest you focus on a RO that can demonstrate to you exceptional experience and volume doing SRT.
Best Wishes.
Wife#1
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Posted 12/8/2023 9:34 PM (GMT 0)
JNF, yes removal did help with urinary issues.
But, as we know removal has other issues at times.
It was the right choice for him and moving forward is all any of us can do.
Wife#1
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Posted 1/23/2024 5:32 PM (GMT 0)
Here are the results of his PSMA Scan. Our appt. is Friday to discuss. Any advice appreciated. Thank you.
1. Status post prostatectomy. No evidence of local recurrence
2. Lymph nodes: There are 4 radiotracer avid subcentimeter left internal iliac lymph nodes which measure
3-7 mm short axis with SUV max from 4.2-13.7 (series 3, images 212, 213, 216 and 218). No additional
suspicious lymph nodes.
3. Skeleton: Focal intense radiotracer uptake in the T4 vertebral body with SUV max of 8.6 is adjacent to a
Schmorl's node in the inferior endplate, potentially metastatic disease or uptake related to acute Schmorl's
node.
IMPRESSION:
1. Status post prostatectomy. No evidence of local recurrence.
2. There are 4 radiotracer avid subcentimeter left internal iliac prostate cancer lymph node metastases.
3. Focal intense radiotracer uptake in the T4 vertebral body is adjacent to a Schmorl's node which could
be acute. This could be due to prostate cancer metastasis or uptake related to the Schmorl's node. MRI of
the thoracic spine with and without IV contrast may be able to distinguish between these 2 possibilities.
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2. There are 4 radiotracer avid subcentimeter left internal iliac prostate cancer lymph node metastases.
3. Focal intense radiotracer uptake in the T4 vertebral body is adjacent to a Schmorl's node which could
be acute. This could be due to prostate cancer metastasis or uptake related to the Schmorl's node. MRI of
the thoracic spine with and without IV contrast may be able to distinguish between these 2 possibilities.
No additional suspicious bone lesions or areas suspicious for prostate cancer metastases.
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Mumbo
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Posted 1/24/2024 2:37 AM (GMT 0)
Hello - What was his last PSA before the PSMA scan? Looks like the report is stating lymph node involvement and possible bone yet to be determined.
Seems that the surgery pathology noted a cancerous lymph node so this should not be totally unexpected. I would think the doctor(s) will want to pursue the MRI first followed by radiation to lymph nodes at a minimum. They may want to start hormone therapy as well.
I hate to say your meeting will be uneventful but it seems that follow up treatment is necessary and it will be just laying out a program to finish the investigation and move on to next steps. Just have to wait and see what is recommended.
Wife#1
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Posted 1/24/2024 2:38 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you for the help,
Surgery 09/2022
PSA 11/2022, <0.04
02/2023, 0.05
05/2023 <0.04
08/2023 0.05
11/2023 0.66
12/23 0.7 Dr. wanted it done at a different lab, his lab. I think he wanted to be the one to tell us instead of us
getting it at other lab portal the next day. Just my guess.
Maxwellcatmom
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Posted 1/29/2024 4:16 AM (GMT 0)
Hello Wife1,
My husband’s psa has been continually rising from 0.06 on 9/1/23 to .270, and I demanded action be taken. His PSMA scan was done at .173, and it showed small radio tracer avid retroperitoneal lymph nodes, considered ogliometastatic. We were into the urological oncologist within days for labs and immediately started on Casodex for two weeks, followed by a Lupron injection in combination with 1000 units of daily Zytiga with prednisone. This should keep things in check. Next was a visit with two radiation oncologists and we had a second opinion at Memorial Sloan Kettering. The plan is EBRT at 70 gys for 40 days and the doublet ADT for a minimum of 24 months. It may or may not be curative at this point, but we plan to wipe the playing field clean and for the best chance for a long survival and good quality of life despite ADT. Both of our husbands have a positive in the fact that their recurrence is being detected at very early metastatic disease and low burden. Let’s pray that the the ADT can wipe out systemic micromets. If it is any consolation, the ADT brought my husband’s psa back to <0.008 within three weeks of starting it. Please share how your appt goes.
Stephanie
Maxwellcatmom
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Posted 1/29/2024 4:44 AM (GMT 0)
I updated my husband’s bio if you want to review it. Praying for your husband.
Wife#1
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Posted 2/3/2024 11:59 PM (GMT 0)
Hello Stephanie,
Thank you for the response. Our husbands do have a lot in common. We both thought that this would happen at some point as he had the EPE and a positive lymph node at the time of surgery. So many opinions and different options.
He had the PSMA as noted. Now we are scheduled for an MRI to check out the spot on his spine. The Dr. seems to think it will be nothing. We have an appt with a radiologist first and then we will get a second opinion at the bigger Cancer center. Once we get both opinions, we will take it from there. It is hard as we don't agree on some of the things, but I know it is his choice. We discussed and then it is his choice. Always moving forward. I will keep you updated.
Ann
Wife#1
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Posted 2/26/2024 4:34 PM (GMT 0)
I finally have the MRI results from his Thoracic spine,
Abnormal T1 hypo-, T2 hyperintense marrow signal within the T4 vertebral body with slight
vertebral body height loss and mild bulging of the posterior wall. There is associated enhancement
postcontrast imaging. These findings are suspicious for metastatic lesion superimposed subacute
pathologic compression deformity with less than 25% vertebral body height loss. The bulging of the left
posterolateral vertebral body cortex of T4 effaces the ventral CSF and abuts the ventral cord resulting in
minimal canal narrowing. No convincing evidence of epidural spread of tumor. The remainder of the
thoracic spine is intact without acute abnormality or aggressive lesion.
Soft tissues: The paraspinous soft tissues are unremarkable. No epidural fluid collection or lesion.
Incidental note of benign-appearing perineural cysts within the T6-T7 and to a lesser degree T7-T8 right
neural foramen.
The short version:
1. Findings suggestive of a T4 vertebral body metastatic lesion with superimposed subacute pathologic
compression deformity resulting in less than 25% vertebral body height loss. There is mild
bulging/retropulsion of the left posterolateral cortex of the T4 vertebral body which effaces the ventral
CSF and abuts the ventral cord resulting in minimal canal narrowing. No convincing evidence of epidural
spread of tumor.
The PSMA scan did show radiotracer avid 4 iliac lymph nodes
We see the RO tomorrow, any advice is much appreciated. Thank you.
Sr Sailor
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Posted 2/26/2024 4:42 PM (GMT 0)
SBRT to T4?
Mumbo
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Posted 2/26/2024 6:16 PM (GMT 0)
Might want to ask if biopsy of spine is possible to confirm “suggestions”? The RO should have a plan for addressing all the scan results, nothing out of control suggested so should be a positive meeting.
Wife#1
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Posted 2/27/2024 7:40 PM (GMT 0)
Sr Sailor and Mumbo,
Thank you for the replies. The RO wants a biopsy for the spot on his spine. He is just not sure and needs to be sure to focus on next steps. Okay, that is a good step. I am not feeling good about
the process right now. The Medical Oncologist is the Surgeon that performed his surgery, the Doctor that gives the Lupron shot is his Urologist. It is a big one stop Urology center. Everything is done in this building except the surgery. The RO is the RO, but his parting words were, if you see anyone else do not let them give you any medication, it will mess up the biopsy results. Well, we need to know what is going on first. Our plan is the Biopsy first and then 2nd opinion at the Cancer center.
We both felt he had great care with Urologist and surgeon but today just bothered me and the husband's wise words, you just need to relax.
Thanks for the vent, I wish he took more interest in his care and not just okay.
Mumbo
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Posted 2/27/2024 10:26 PM (GMT 0)
If you and/or husband are not comfortable, move on as you appear to be doing. He is past primary treatment so next steps are key for best results. Might want to move biopsy to Roswell Park as well and get things going with them now.
Maxwellcatmom
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Posted 2/29/2024 6:19 PM (GMT 0)
Hello,
I am thinking of you and praying for you and your husband. Our husbands are so similar in their progression. I think your husband may have micrometastatic and oligometastatic progression.
Has your husband had Germline genetic testing done? That is important for future treatment decisions. Fortunately my husband was negative. MSKCC also recommended Somatic testing on the biopsied tissue, which we have not done yet.
We were also told by MSKCC that oligometastatic (less than five mets) prostate cancer may still be curable as long as the ADT is sufficiently intense. My husband dropped back from .273 to <0.008 within three weeks of starting on Casodex/Lupron/Zytiga/Prednisone. We dropped Casodex after three weeks...it was just to prevent Lupron "flare."
My guess is that your husband will be advised to go on the same hormonal regiment as my husband and they may radiate his pelvis and can do stereoatic body radiation (radio surgery to spot treat the bone met).
Good luck. Please keep us informed on how he is doing, and I will do the same for my husband.
Take care,
Stephanie
Wife#1
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Posted 3/14/2024 8:22 PM (GMT 0)
Well. Husband had biopsy of T4 on his spine. So he has Prostate cancer in his Lymph nodes and T4. We will meet with the radiologist at the cancer center first. We are going to Roswell Park for the second opinion, My first choice for treatment.
Brief recap, cancer center has Radiation Dept, but Urologist does injections and Surgeon manages the oral medications. Does not give me confidence .
I appreciate all of your help and I will keep you updated as I value your opinions.
My only wish is, I wish he was more involved in this, but I know enough to present the information and ultimately it is his decision.
Sr Sailor
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Posted 3/14/2024 11:47 PM (GMT 0)
It's time for a consult with a well-respected Medical Oncologist with experience in prostate cancer. In fact, that's the person who should be the leader of your team at this point.
Post Edited (Sr Sailor) : 3/15/2024 6:05:57 AM (GMT-8)
Maxwellcatmom
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Posted 3/15/2024 12:08 PM (GMT 0)
.My husband is already responding extremely well to Lupron/Abi/Pred (Started in December and undetectable by January}, By the time he started IMRT to pelvis with extension to para aortal lymph nodes (March 4), his radiation oncologist announced his nodes were almost resolved from the ADT. He also had a suspicious lumbar lesion, but that was not confirmed. By the end of only one week of radiation (70 gys in 39 sessions), his nodes had already resolved. Bottom line is that oligometastatic, hormone sensitive, micrometastatic prostate cancer can respond really well to early aggressive treatment. I hope this helps! Good luck!
Stephanie
Wife#1
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Posted 4/5/2024 3:28 PM (GMT 0)
We had the appointment at Roswell Cancer center with the Medical Oncologist. We felt this was the right decision and the place to treat his cancer. His decision of course and my first choice too. What a feeling of relief to finally get started and feeling good about
the choice. Blood tests, PSA 1.17, Testosterone 385 and received first shots of Firmagon.
Consult with Radiologist April 15th.
Suggestion is Lupron starts in May. 3 or 6 month shot? I believe he will start Abiraterone too
Radiation to T4 is a definite and the rest to be discussed with Radiologist.
He is really sore this morning.
Thank you so much, i appreciate all the advice and help.
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