Protein

do you mean all types of protein? Beans? Lentils? Meat? Dairy? Eggs? NUts and Seeds? Tofu? All of them?

estelle :)

Well so far it seems to be red meats. Not sure about other proteins. Where would I find digestive enzyme with protease, I have never heard of it? Thanks for your replies.

You may want to limit your meat aswell, redmeat has proven very negetive for IBD sufferers...

there is an acid in red meat that actually promotes inflammation, just a thought..

Protein takes a long time to digest, its hard on the stomach as well,
I try not to worry about protein, a your body doesnt really need as much as most people are thought to believe, believe it or not, some people believe protein is a myth. Its a long chain of amino acids, broken down by the body to be absorbed, so many people believe why not just eat the amino acids instead. Thats kind of what I try to do...

there are pleanty of people who are fruitarians, and just eat fruit. nothing else, they have pleanty of muscle etc. so these people are my proof, also I was a fruitarian for about 3 months, and it worked wonders for me, I was pretty muscular as well. =]

Im just speaking from experience, and research studies, wich have proven that remission rates have been achieved without meat in the diet especially red meat, and a much higher percentage flare up with higher meat in the diets then vegetarians..

protein is also very hard to digest, and the energy spent digesting these types of foods, can be used for our bodies to heal itself. ya know? makes sense.. protein is sort of just a big marketing scheme, I mean, as I said, its scientifically proven, that amino acids are what the body breaks protein down to, and its been scientifically proven that protein is just a long chain of amino acids linked together, and its been scientifically proven that our bodies Really dont need all that much protein to be healthy nor to build muscle, also been scientifically proven that eating vegetarian diet has ultimatly lead to a higher success of remission in IBD patients, also been scientifically proven that soy is also hard to digest, and may be a common allergin in IBD patients, along with gluten products. It takes about 4 to 6 hours for meat to leave the stomach, so you it would make sense that you wouldnt feel like crap right away, but that over time the amount of energy for your intestines to break down the protein, and absorb the nutrients, you would feel discomfort most likely the next day, or couple days later.. when you cook meat at high tempatures, it changes the protein and alters the way it is absorbed. Ive read some studies that have reasearch to back up the evidence, that meat actually causes many to be anemic, and pushes many needed nutrients, vitamins, and minerals OUT of your body, from my understanding, the kidneys, liver etc..
So, just somthing to think about, and obviously since its not common to hear or believe this type of information, look it up yourself. Go to the library as I do, and read the many medical books and medical journals from thruout the years.. Ive done pleanty of research so I stand firm on my beliefs... also, I learn from experience, and what I see, not by what companies and pharmacutical companies tell me. I SEE much more atheletes on vegan diets, winning the olympics, body building competions, marathons etc. with much energy after the competion then I do athelets who eat enormous steaks and whey protein.. so just a thought.

Quincy, You said that you feel great after steak quincy, but arent you still in a flare? and loaded on all sorts of medications? just wondering how you think that makes sense, that your doing well eating those types of foods but still in flare and so many medications? tell me if Im wrong please..

herbalgerbals.....

No, I'm not flaring.

I'm on maintenance meds, however......but I'm not flaring.

I have no problems with the meds I take, which are still first-line after 20 years.

I'm not into scare tactics, however....and regardless of the information you've written, being vegan doesn't stop one from any illness, improving from illness or having a longer life.

I'm OK with you following your beliefs, but I still don't believe that meat is bad for us as I'm free to state.

Who cares if meat takes longer to digest....that's why we eat it.

There are all forms of protein, eat them all.....

I'm not an athlete, so whatever about what they eat. Many of them are obsessive and starve themselves anyway and will go to many lengths to maintain their perceived peak performance....sometimes at the expense of their own bodies consuming itself.

I have the same opinion about sugar.....do I overconsume it? at times? Do I notice worse symptoms...no.

Let's see how I'm feeling at this time.....I'm distressed and it's affecting me wholly to my core, because a long-time friend/client of mine is dying of cancer....most of her family are my clients and her will to live and high pain threshold has her struggling to the eventual bitter end.

Dealing with the emotional aspect of this....someone who is in my age group....someone who has been a vegan, followed all sorts of herbal regimens, was in massage therapy/cranial sacral work...and everything marked holistic....is dying.

I may flare because I'm conflicted as to what to feel, and I see no dignity in suffering to that extent. WE all die.

SO IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF A STEAK OR WHAT I EAT!!!!  IF I FLARE, I WELL EARNED IT!!!!!  AM I SCARED OF IT....NO....IT HAPPENS, THAT'S PART  OF HAVING UC CONTROLLED OR NOT. 

I personally don't have any control over people's obsessiveness about what they eat to control their symptoms....but if one piece of bread puts them over the edge, it's not the bread.

I see how the meds have done me well.....I'm percancer free, and so far the liver disease I have related to UC is still in early stages. I'll continue to trust my doctor who isn't extreme.....and I really do trust my instincts to say I can function very well and have never crap my pants in public.

If I want a steak with cheesecake and 8 cups of coffee....I have it.

Funny...no flare.

Anything else you want to know??? Continue the way you're going, for we all find our niche.

You're 20 years old, been on prednisone and you have experience to know it ALL? Sheesh, talk to me when you actually have experience.

respectfully,
quincy

Thank you for your kind thoughts, Rona. It truly sucks.

Anyone can have problems with some foods....if they bother you, don't eat them. It's subjective.

There are some diseases/disorders that don't go well with beef...gout is one because of high purine levels.

There are also reasons for perceived problems or slow digestion...such as reflux.

There are also things mixed with certain foods that can be perceived as causing troubles.

All in all...if beef isn't on your diet because you don't feel well after eating it...seems a wise thing to not do so. To me, after it's eliminated, you should be saying...I feel good and I can eat what I want since I assume you no longer want to eat beef.


quincy

It certainly has been an active discussion. So tonight I tried just veggies and it is still sitting heavy in my stomach but not quite as bad. I am headed to the doc this week and I will check with him. Thank you everyone for your input. Research seems to be the answer.

Blueberries have a sh!tload of seeds (they are small, but there are a lot of them) and are quite acidic. (and pssst, potato doesn't have an "e")

I generally don't comment when people ask what they should or shouldn't eat, because in my opinion, bothersome foods are highly individualistic when it comes to UC. Everyone should figure out for themselves if anything exacerbates their UC. I haven't noticed anything causing me problems yet, but I've not had UC that long and have been in remission for a very short time, so maybe I'll eventually find something.

Basically, I'm saying that when it comes to diet, everyone needs to do their own research.

I dont want to argue, fight, be in conflict etc.
I plan on visiting these forums regularly, and sharing experience and advice with fellow IBD peeps..
So, I will take this step quincy, lets not have tension between us..
Ill take this step, I am sorry for being rude, and look forward to being civil with possibly being with you. goodnight.

I agree, balanace is most important.. that is what Ive found with diet..
I was vegan for 3 years, ethical reasons at first, then health.
Now I have a total balance.

Scientifcally, research and studies have proven for IBD sufferes, that a low protein diet has kept more people in remission, then people who are eating lots of meat and high protein based diets, also that dairy, and cooked eggs have sent more people into flar then those who are dominant in a vegetarian and fruit based diet...

I imagine I dont get more then 40grams a protein a day, I am very musclur, I weight about 140+lbs and I am 5'6ish, my energy levels are very high, I excersize daily, and my digestion is doing better with my diet then ever before..

Thats my experience..

When I was eating heavy protein, I flared.

How about experience, vitality, health, restoration.

Looking at the cultures, and the span of life, as well as range of disease, and death rate compared to the time of the cultures here on earth and there strength..
History plays an important role. You must remember, the older cultures, wich remain in great health, majority of wich are vegetarian and fresh fruit based diets, wich avoid processed foods, heavy meat diets remain to be more healthy, nutrient dense, strong, and disease free (as far as digestion and immune system is concerned) compared to the western societies of the world, wich eat in abundance, yet suffer from many diseases, and mal-nutrition... its all right there, doesnt take to much digging to research...

The majority of the world eat in a dominant fresh fruit and vegetable diet, and survive for quite a leangthy amount of time, with very little disease, and as far as IBD type of conditions are concerned, they rarely exsist..