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Posted 1/6/2010 12:40 AM (GMT 0)
Hi,

I have updated the sticky thread of this forum with diet knowledge which I had. I hope it will help you too.

Please click on www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=1666318 for the updates.

Hope it helps..

Post Edited (Lalupate) : 1/5/2010 5:44:09 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 1/6/2010 12:50 AM (GMT 0)

Lalupate said...
Don't consume chicken thighs. Chicken thigh is very bad for a person suffering from UC. Chicken thighs have more fat content.

Avoid red meat. This is your worst enemy.

i would have to completely disagree.
i am one of the UC'ers on this forum in which diet does not affect my UC.
i know you mean well and trying to help.... but....

i hate it when someone comes on and tells everyone they cant eat meat or whatever and to avoid certain foods.
everyone is different and different things affect everyone differently.
you have to trial and error for yourself. period!

sorry im grumpy/moody right now. must be pred or pregnancy.... but food does not trigger a flare and this worst enemy stuff is just an opinion and it can confuse newbies who are trying to learn about this disease and its providing mis-information.

im fine with alcohol and coffee and red meat et.... and im sure lots of other people are too.
Posted 1/6/2010 1:00 AM (GMT 0)
I was about to delete my post after reading your comments...

I will delete it if some other people also find it unhelpful. I am not going to delete my knowledge as one person didn't find it helpful.

I am sharing my months of efforts so that it will help someone. If few other don;t like it, i will surely delete it.

For your red meat, please see http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/briefs/digestivehealth/hb041209.htm
Posted 1/6/2010 1:13 AM (GMT 0)
Leave your comments up man. You have a right to your opinion -- and it's up to people who read the posts to decide for themselves what they want to agree with or not, and if need be discuss it.

Changing my diet has helped me a lot (as well as many others on the forum).

Maybe add a disclaimer for the newbies that this is your opinion based on what you've read (cite sources if you can), and it's up to them to decide what to do with the information.
Posted 1/6/2010 1:15 AM (GMT 0)
dont take them down... i didnt mean it like that.

you should just make sure to let people know its an opinion and not a hard and fast rule for ulcerative colitis sufferers!
Posted 1/6/2010 1:16 AM (GMT 0)
Yeah your suggestion is a good one. I will add a disclaimer.

But i exactly don't remember the sources. It is because, I borrowed a number of diet books related to UC from different libraries. I think I read almost most of books related to diet of UC . Also I had did research from net too...



Rio in Maryland said...
Leave your comments up man. You have a right to your opinion -- and it's up to people who read the posts to decide for themselves what they want to agree with or not, and if need be discuss it.

Changing my diet has helped me a lot (as well as many others on the forum).

Maybe add a disclaimer for the newbies that this is your opinion based on what you've read (cite sources if you can), and it's up to them to decide what to do with the information.

Posted 1/6/2010 2:26 AM (GMT 0)
I found the lists interesting and generally going along with the non-scratchy. non-fatty, non-greasy, non-gassy, non-spicy/acidic guidlelines I've followed when flaring for the past couple of decades......

For me, milk products have never been an issue whatsoever and eggplant usually is...

Interestingly, I just received the "What to Eat with IBD" book for Christmas and she lists brown rice (unless cooked really soft) as one of her foods that "hurt", and lists broccoli, cauliflower and eggplant on the caution/gassy list.
(Broccoli has never caused me any gas or problems at all.)

Some lists I've read have said butter is much preferable over margarine.....

Basically, we all react to different things, and it takes some trial and error to know what those things are. When not flaring, I can eat anything, and when flaring, I still adhere to the non-scratchy, etc, etc.
Posted 1/6/2010 2:33 AM (GMT 0)
Yupes. I had gone through that book too... There were couple more...

As you mentioned, if you go through the list, it tells you basically to try to avoid fatty food (eg: red meat, chicken thigh, oily food), spicy food, alcoholic beverages...

No doubt, yogurt is the best one...


songlady said...
I found the lists interesting and generally going along with the non-scratchy. non-fatty, non-greasy, non-gassy, non-spicy/acidic guidlelines I've followed when flaring for the past couple of decades......

For me, milk products have never been an issue whatsoever and eggplant usually is...

Interestingly, I just received the "What to Eat with IBD" book for Christmas and she lists brown rice (unless cooked really soft) as one of her foods that "hurt", and lists broccoli, cauliflower and eggplant on the caution/gassy list.
(Broccoli has never caused me any gas or problems at all.)

Some lists I've read have said butter is much preferable over margarine.....

Basically, we all react to different things, and it takes some trial and error to know what those things are. When not flaring, I can eat anything, and when flaring, I still adhere to the non-scratchy, etc, etc.

Posted 1/6/2010 3:35 AM (GMT 0)
I'm glad your diet regime works for you. But I too am one of the ones who red meat doesn't affect. Or alcohol ( in moderation ) ( although my moderation is probably alot more than most of you. LOL )
I drink at least a beer or two most nights. And I have been known on the weekend to hit it hard and drink quite a few. But I digress..... I'm glad you have found a diet regime that works for you. I also believe diet affects us, but my diet regime is different than yours and works for me.
Posted 1/6/2010 6:31 AM (GMT 0)
LOL...a t-bone has me feeling absolutely awesome after I've had one.

I usually have it with sweet potatoes and salad or veggie of some kind.

What's with the "rules" Lalupate? Your focus is on food only....I've asked you many questions about where your UC is..etc and you've never taken the time to answer.


q
Posted 1/6/2010 2:24 PM (GMT 0)
It's funny that there are all these rules....Alot of those foods would bother a Non UC'er if they are used to it in large quanities. 

I try to limit red meat because it's better for your overall health...Milk bothers me when I am flaring, but not otherwise. Carbonation kills me just about, but that may be that I am just not used to it anymore.  

Sorbital also bothers me reguardless of flare or not.  

Posted 1/6/2010 2:46 PM (GMT 0)
All this talk of food reminds me I need to figure out when to cook the beef tenderloin in my freezer; I want to have it while my college son is still home.......
:-)
I agree with FairyGen. As I've mentioned a zillion times, I've found avoiding scratchy things, etc to be helpful when flaring, but otherwise..... to eat healthy and in moderation seems to help me heal more than following a set of rules.....
Posted 1/6/2010 3:25 PM (GMT 0)
O.k Peeps....

Here's my 2 cents...Lalupate you did the right thing posting the disclaimer but did not deserve to be "blasted" for not doing so in the first place!
Is that not why the forum has "moderators"?? I am confused daily here lately & quite frankly becoming discouraged by the fact that
people are being so critical as opposed to maybe challenging others input. I personally have found this site very helpful & I am a NEWBIE(not
to the disease but the forum) If I buy into a theory, that's my CHOICE, If I want to alter my diet, again my CHOICE! I reference other U/C sites
that for the most part all have "nutritional guidelines" & I do believe that most people w/U/C newbie or other will change or at some point alter
their diet ( even just to exclude something so specific as artificial sweetener for example...while in a flare or as a way to maintain a remission
again, CHOICE) It will be worse to lose people and their opinions than to debate them w/o being so harsh.
Posted 1/6/2010 8:06 PM (GMT 0)
because some of us recognise that maybe the rules of "good" and "bad"??? food don't apply and don't like to be told what the rules are of what to eat...especially by a newbie that doesn't answer questions about his/her actual UC.

call it gut instinct.

q
Posted 1/6/2010 8:43 PM (GMT 0)
C'mon Quincy...where is the word "Rules" in the guys post?????

What I read sounded like someone who just wanted to "share" his reading with the forum...to maybe "help" others!
Huh! Oh yeah, this newbie has minimal left-sided U/C in case u were wondering...LOL :)
Posted 1/6/2010 8:53 PM (GMT 0)
not answering your question doesn't mean that I am a newbie. I may be newbie in the count of my posts... but not to the disease.

Ok..the answer to your question goes like this.

I know I have been diagnosed with UC. But really speaking, I don't want to know in detail about which part of intestine I have UC.
What I want to know more about is how I can get rid of it. That is my aim..

It is also not necessary for me to reply your all questions. I may not be interested to share the information and answer all your questions.

Anyway, if you guys don't like the knowledge, which I gained by my own months of efforts, I am glad to remove it and I am removing it now

Sorry guys !!.. I don't want my knowledge to be in controversy.



quincy said...
because some of us recognise that maybe the rules of "good" and "bad"??? food don't apply and don't like to be told what the rules are of what to eat...especially by a newbie that doesn't answer questions about his/her actual UC.

call it gut instinct.

q

Post Edited (Lalupate) : 1/6/2010 3:00:52 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 1/6/2010 10:44 PM (GMT 0)
First of all, to disagree with someone's opinion doesn't mean that person is being "blasted". Now if someone said, "Hey, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard." Then yes, that would've been taken down. We are all entitled to our opinion and when you read a post, you have to remind yourselves that what works for one, may not work for another. Not ONE thing is going to work 100% for everyone. Lulapate is just recommending what has worked for him/her(?).

Take EVERYTHING you read on a support forum with a grain of salt.
Posted 1/7/2010 12:09 AM (GMT 0)
What he's saying is good or bad. That's rules. Not recommendations.

It's actually bad manners to not answer questions.

like I say...gut instinct. But I'm biased since food really isn't the issue.

q
Posted 1/7/2010 1:57 AM (GMT 0)
o.k blasted...little harsh turn
but it's really important not to "discourage" people from sharing.
I am one of the people here that is currently altering food choices as are many others
& these resources are a critical source to some which could aid in remission people...
I don't want nobody mess'in with that !! LOL
Posted 1/7/2010 6:54 AM (GMT 0)
I think I can safely say the OP has no problems posting what he/she wants and isn't dissuaded from doing so.
Make your own mind up about food.....I can eat anything with no repercussions with UC. Not many believe that, but it's my experience.

If I have high amounts of fruits...I expect loose stool or diarrhea. But most everyone who has the same might have diarrhea or loose or soft stool.

Yes I limit them during flaring just because I don't want to use the bathroom as often.
If I drink coffee in the morning, I know it will trigger a bm because there will be stool in the sigmoid and coffee stimulates that process. If I'm flaring, I expect to be in the bathroom a few times in the morning and may limit the coffee because it can sometimes make me feel nauseated.

If you fear food, you will stop eating...it's necessary to maintain an intake of fuel to help the body in general to heal. Having lots of limits on foods based on that it hurts UC is confusing for many...it's more a control issue rather than using meds to heal the inflammation because many people fear having to be committed to meds, no matter what they are. It's easier to make it all about food.

I don't like rules about foods and will always state my opinion on that. I made it all about food the 3 years before diagnosis because the doc I had did diddly for me.
I didn't understand how it all worked because anything I ate eventually came out looking obviously of what it was when it went in.

I'm free to comment, and I believe I'm not rude. Believe what you will about food and how it affects your UC....but if one asks why don't you eat meat because you have UC and you say "because it's a NO NO with UC"....not good enough for me.

quincy
Posted 1/7/2010 7:05 AM (GMT 0)
well said quincy!
i hate food rules as well.
especially when at the beginning of my relationship with this disease ive tried every diet out there and nothing made a difference.....

becuz, food doesnt make it to the colon.
by the time it gets there it is waste, a chunk of poo or in our cases, bits of diarrhea.
food is digested way higher up in the system (stomach and small intestines)

if UC is an inflammation issue with the colon, then how can food even have anything to do with it.

the only thing that can be related would be the stuff that doesnt digest like corn and seeds and roughage that might scrape through a tender and inflammed colon.
but it wont cause or trigger that inflammation. its already there. otherwise you wouldnt feel it and it wouldnt be an issue.

if you have problems with food, then you might want to get checked for other problems in your digestive system.
Posted 1/7/2010 12:54 PM (GMT 0)
Some great points here Q & kazygirl...

Only I think it's confusing to say that what we eat does not pass through the colon. I am not a doc or a chemist
but if the "poo" that's just passing through has chemical substances (the chemical/p/h make up) then those allergins
(specific to that person) could surely effect the inflammation further?? Which again gets me to think about u/c causes!
thats a conversation for years down the line though!! But really, is it not true that with stomach ulcers it's the acid that
is to blame b/c of the food it's mixed with?? Is that a good example??
Posted 1/7/2010 1:30 PM (GMT 0)
Ok so here is my theory about food. Everyone of us is different in regards to our make up and our own body chemistry. The food we eat gets broken down in the stomach by the stomach acid, nutrients are squeezed from the broken down food in the small intestine and the large intestine squeezes the moisture from that food then in turn what we eliminate is the waste products of those foods.

Some of us can not properly break down those foods, wrong ph, not enough stomach acid, too much stomach acid etc I don't know. But with a few exceptions (corn, nuts etc) these foods are still broken down to a certain degree. However, some foods have anti-inflammatory properties which stays in tact when it comes down the digestive tract which in turn can help heal or ease inflammation. The wrong foods can also send down aggravating things such as whatever is in preservatives - man made products more or less.

So when someone eats "junk" with no nutritional value, it can already aggravate an already inflammed colon more easily. Once the person is healed, the mucousal lining is repaired and is designed to repel irritants. Which can be why some people can eat what they want while in remission. But in a flare, that mucousal lining is open and subject to irritants which in turn can cause problems.

So I don't think it's the actual food per se that is causing issues (with the few exceptions) but rather what is IN the food that can cause issues.

We are all different on how we respond to things, for example, I can eat Doritos like there is no tomorrow with no issues but if someone ate the same thing, it could cause a bunch of grief. Uc and diet is so very individualistic that we have to find what works for us and what doesn't.
Posted 1/7/2010 2:47 PM (GMT 0)
I am sooo jealous Red, I LOVE me some dorito's! Not as of late though skull

Your post is right on...good sum up! Now if only we didn't need to nourish our bodies
with this "food" thing! LOL
Posted 1/7/2010 2:49 PM (GMT 0)
Good perspectives on food, friends! Thanks!

I once ran a support group, and one of our rules was that we always had to make statements in the first person: "I find this to be helpful..." "I always bleed like crazy when I eat this...." rather than make statements as if they were objective fact. I think that for one, sometimes I feel "rubbed the wrong way" when I read things about UC that are stated as objective fact rather than someone's personal observances (I might make an exception for my doctor... lol)

I feel this way when I read misguided articles with half-truths about UC whether in print or online, or when a self-proclaimed expert decides to "tell me how to cure" this, like the woman who told me my son could be cured by eating a diet of only angel food cake.......... ?! (I wanted to say to her, "You'd better let the Nobel Prize for Medicine people know about this - I'm sure they'd be interested.....")
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