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Posted 10/15/2011 2:33 AM (GMT 0)
Today I went to see a natural doctor with my fiance & her mother. Her mother wanted me to go with her mostly, she's had breast cancer & has been in remission for over a few years now :) She takes medicine but doesn't want to take it anymore & wants to change her diet. So the doctor talked with her first, told her she never had cancer and to stop taking her medicine. He told her to take a natural herbal medicine he gave to her & to stop eating all the processed & bad foods & to stick to all natural, organic foods.

When I spoke to him he pretty much told me the same. Stop taking asacol, 6mp & prednisone all at once & he prescribed me 6 slippery elm pills. He said to take 1 a day and completely transform my diet to everything all natural/organic from here on out. He said I would have no symptoms after 6 days. He told me all the meds doctors prescribe are why i have uc, that and all the toxins/crap i've put in my body forever. I believe in god very much & want to believe in this method of healing too, but I really am afraid to drop the meds i've been on/off for almost 4 years, especially when i'm having a mild flare for the past week. Before this I was in a good remission since 2-11

What do all of you think? I mean I am on 40mg pred, 100mg 6mp & asacolHD 800mg 3x a day and i'm not in remission right now. The only reason I'm not stopping all these meds is fear of losing my colon, like everyone else i'm sure. I've read a lot on here over the years about natural healing failing & working. Anyone have any positive stories? Thanks and hope everyone is doing good.
Posted 10/15/2011 6:18 AM (GMT 0)
I'm sorry but this doctor throws up some big red flags for me, specifically telling your fiance's mother that she never had cancer. I assume her cancer had been diagnosed by a doctor - mammogram, biopsy, etc? Similarly telling you that your medications caused your UC... I doubt you went to a gastroenterologist because you felt fine and they handed you a bunch of pills in response.

I would take the slippery elm along with your regular meds - I've seen it described as "nature's mesalamine". And eating naturally certainly won't hurt anyone and could make you feel better overall.

I'm not religious myself but personally I believe if there is a god, s/he would want us to take care of ourselves with whatever means we have available, including modern medicine.
Posted 10/15/2011 6:32 AM (GMT 0)
I think if you suddenly stop prednisone at a 40 mg. dose, you risk adrenal insufficiency and possibly death. I suppose then the "doctor" will tell you loved ones you aren't really dead.
Posted 10/15/2011 6:41 AM (GMT 0)
I don't have a positive story but I couldn't just read this and not apply in concern for your safety!

Does this person know that it is very dangerous to just stop all of your medications especially high doses of steriods cold turkey? Really that is some serious stuff to think about!!!

I don't trust any person that tells me all my research & doctor's (who I've also search credentials for in their specialty) prognosis is wrong and that I would be find in 6 days or so by stopping all my medications and taking his potion. If he has the cure, why isn't his name well known and everyone on this board heard about him?  Lots of people here do their own research and would have heard something.

I don't believe that this man is a savior and the God that you have known has just let so many people die and be in sickness without knowing about this guy's treatment plan. 

Just my opinion.  I hope things work out well for you, but please be careful.

Sukay blush

Posted 10/15/2011 12:04 PM (GMT 0)
Ok, I'm definitely a supporter of natural/organic healing but the fact that this guy told you to completely stop your meds (especially the prednisone) makes me, personally, uncomfortable. What I would suggest is transitioning into the natural/organic lifestyle WHILE continuing your meds, with a goal of tapering down on them and perhaps eventually getting off them completely. But to stop cold turkey? He clearly doesn't understand how some of these meds work and how doing that could throw your body into shock.
Posted 10/15/2011 12:12 PM (GMT 0)
I would run far, far away from any person who told me to stop taking pred all of a sudden when I'm on 40 mg. It could kill you. I'd also tell your future mother in law about this so she can decide what to do. I get that she wants to quit taking her meds, but it's asanine to say that she never had cancer. Did this doc look at ANY of her medical records to determine this? If not, he's a complete and total quack. Now, I think that changing your diets would be great (and adding slippery elm for you), but I would NOT stop any of the meds. Who knows what she's on that might be dangerous to suddenly stop and we know it's horribly dangerous for you to stop pred.

I also completely agree with Hoshi on this "I'm not religious myself but personally I believe if there is a god, s/he would want us to take care of ourselves with whatever means we have available, including modern medicine." Why would God see the need for doctors and "call" people to become doctors, if we weren't supposed to take medicine?
Posted 10/15/2011 12:12 PM (GMT 0)
 

Stopping prednisone at 40mg is a very bad idea. 

 

Posted 10/15/2011 12:55 PM (GMT 0)

Cadillac Lover,

It's great that he's holistically oriented, if that is truly what he is. Some of what he says we all know: eating well balanced organic foods, without any HFCS, etc...makes sense,

but it's quite irresponsible for him to suggest you go off all your meds, especially prednisone wihtout any weaning "off" of it, especially since you are NOT in remission.

IMO, you may want to look at other alternatives, stay on your meds, eat healthier, and do some research into LDN - low dose naltrexone. LDN really does work.

And once you start on LDN and start feeling better, then as many of us have been able to do, you can start weaning yourself off some of the other meds.

What do yo think?

Posted 10/15/2011 2:02 PM (GMT 0)

Judy2 said...
I think if you suddenly stop prednisone at a 40 mg. dose, you risk adrenal insufficiency and possibly death. I suppose then the "doctor" will tell you loved ones you aren't really dead.



The spirit lives on forevaaaaaaaaaaaa

tongue
Posted 10/15/2011 6:50 PM (GMT 0)
i know other posters have said this, but PLEASE, please, please don't stop prednisone cold turkey...everyone is right in saying you could DIE by doing so. i am concerned for you! very dangerous advice. i like natural/alternative healing, and have been to many natural practitioners, but none of them EVER suggested quitting prednisone cold turkey. this person is irresponsible to tell you this and obviously doen't have any knowledge about the dangers involved in quitting pred cold turkey. i agree...red flag! please take good care of yourself.
Posted 10/15/2011 6:59 PM (GMT 0)
Run away from this so called doctor....run far away! Yikes!
Posted 10/15/2011 7:08 PM (GMT 0)
Scary dude that Christian doctor. Run girl, run!!!!!! and question where crap like that comes from.  Definitely subjective prejudice/bias, bad judgement and arrogance.


Have you been on retention enemas as of yet?

q
Posted 10/15/2011 11:33 PM (GMT 0)
OMG this guy is a quack! He's telling a breast cancer survivor she never had cancer??? Do not stop your meds. Please. You are flaring and anyone who tells you to take something that hasn't even been through clinical trials showing any benefit to UC and promises you that you'll have absolutely no symptoms in 6 days is a quack. Has he even been to med school? Highly, highly doubt it. Please don't listen to this fool. He doesn't know what he's talking about.
Posted 10/16/2011 1:19 AM (GMT 0)
What does this religious dude charge for such preposterous "advice"? (Just wondering ... ) Judy2 is an RN-- so you better believe that she knows what she's talking about! No one should stop taking Prednisone cold turkey-- unless they want to end up in the nearest ER. / Old Hat (30 yrs with left-sided UC; presently in remission taking brandname Colazal)
Posted 10/16/2011 1:34 AM (GMT 0)
I'm definitely with everyone else...run fast and farrrrrrr away as you can from this guy!
Posted 10/16/2011 2:26 PM (GMT 0)

Judy2 said...
I think if you suddenly stop prednisone at a 40 mg. dose, you risk adrenal insufficiency and possibly death. I suppose then the "doctor" will tell you loved ones you aren't really dead.

 

Best post ever.

Posted 10/16/2011 8:42 PM (GMT 0)
Yes, it absolutely is the best, Sara!



Cadillac Lover...you can add the slippery elm to what you're taking now.

q
Posted 10/16/2011 11:23 PM (GMT 0)

Judy2 said...
I think if you suddenly stop prednisone at a 40 mg. dose, you risk adrenal insufficiency and possibly death. I suppose then the "doctor" will tell you loved ones you aren't really dead.

Brilliant.

Cadillac, I'm not going to say what already has been said.
Posted 10/17/2011 1:02 AM (GMT 0)
I'll say it again :), though not as eloquently as Judy2.

There's something to be said for "clean living"- organic, whole foods, etc.

Then there's something else to be said about anyone that tells you to stop Prednisone cold turkey. This person you went to see might be "natural" but certainly not a "doctor". The first thing any want-to-be/quasi-medically-educated "doctor" trying to give you medical advice would be, check worth your doctor first and/or let's work with your doctor together, because they know better. So this person you want to see, is below that, which immediately puts you in danger since they REALLY have no idea what they're talking about, nor are they actually concerned about you. If they were, they'd take the time to put build a modicum of understanding on your condition and the medications you're taking. Put another way, they're recklessly putting you at risk of injury or death, and aren't even concerned with liability. I'm betting this person you're seeing has no credentials, medical experience, business listing, or otherwise. If they claim to, or especially if they really do, ask him of you could publish his name and number.

I hate being loaded up on risky meds as much as the next person, and would love to be off all of them- especially Prednisone.

We, unlike this person you're seeing, will miss you when you drop your Pred.
Posted 10/17/2011 1:16 AM (GMT 0)
Everyone wants to believe in cures like these, its natural to want an easy fix for a horrible problem. But like everyone else said this doctor is not to be trusted. 6mp and pred should not be stopped cold turkey, i decided after surgery i was tired of pred at 20mg and just stopped and i got really sick. And 40mg would be eve. Worse and like everyone said possibly deadly.
Please go with what a real dr says.
Posted 10/17/2011 1:43 AM (GMT 0)
Well eating properly is probably one of the best things you'll ever do for your UC. He's right about that part. Slippery elm has a good track record of helping a lot of people as well.

I've stopped 6mp and asacol before cold turkey without issue. Prednisone, as has been repeated here, is obviously a different story.

If you want to follow his advice, Id do everything he says except for the prednisone. Taper off that as normal.

On the other hand, if you believe he's a complete quack, like some here have said, dont ever see him again haha.

His advice sounds good with the exception of killing your pred intake. Symptom free in 6 days is a hell of a statement though.
Posted 10/17/2011 1:44 AM (GMT 0)
Oh and you should really, really take a hard look into LDN like InSoFla suggested. Holistic doctors are also more likely to prescribe it for you rather than your regular GI, so perhaps you ought to take the research to this Christian doc and see if he wants to support you in it.
Posted 10/17/2011 2:36 AM (GMT 0)

WingZero said...
Ok, I'm definitely a supporter of natural/organic healing but the fact that this guy told you to completely stop your meds (especially the prednisone) makes me, personally, uncomfortable. What I would suggest is transitioning into the natural/organic lifestyle WHILE continuing your meds, with a goal of tapering down on them and perhaps eventually getting off them completely. But to stop cold turkey? He clearly doesn't understand how some of these meds work and how doing that could throw your body into shock.

ditto. I'd seriously question his credentials if he thinks you can survive dropping off 40mg of pred without consequences. You CANNOT stop taking pred at that high a dose without it harming you. Trust me, I did, not pretty. doctors in the hospital forgot to put it on my regimen after surgery and I had to stay in ICU for 2 extra days because it made my heart rate drop and my ability to take in oxygen properly crapped out too. I go to a natural doctor who works with a naturopath. They never ever told me to stop my meds like that, they even gave me pred if I needed it. There is a difference between a doctor that takes a more natural approach with science and one that says herbs fix everything and throw in a prayer just for good measure. (Plus what kind of doctor talks to a person once and then says they never had cancer. Not a good sign)
This isn't a matter of belief in God fixing things. I believe in God, but he doesn't fix things for us overnight like that. God made people smart so they became doctors, so we can go to them to get help when we're sick. If you want a more natural approach, integrate it with your current meds and then wean off. Don't simply stop all together. Take the slippery elm with the meds, wean of the pred at a slow pace as usual and see what happens. Slippery elm did squat for me, but it has helped others. And maybe consider getting a new GI to take a look at you if all those pills aren't getting you any better.
Posted 10/17/2011 5:05 AM (GMT 0)
I am a big believer in the mind/body connection and that your faith can help you. However, If you are interested in trying some alternative therapies, try to find someone who takes an integrative approach. Prayer and eating right and Slippery Elm might help a lot but they are certainly not a substitute for proven medical treatments. I don't like what this doctor told you or your future mother in law.
Posted 10/18/2011 10:08 PM (GMT 0)
Really?? Crazy.
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