Grains & Legumes' effect on UC

Grains and legumes definitely bother me. Peanuts are ok in small amounts and more tolerable in peanut butter form, but all other types of legumes cause problems. I recently found that rice is a big no-no for me, too, despite people telling me the BRAT diet is the way I should be eating.

Whenever I add a non-wheat grain into a meal my colon comes to a complete halt. I really do love rice so am sorry my colon still can't handle it but I have to do what's best for my UC. Bye-bye rice.

My colon loves bean pods like green beans and snow peas but can't take more than a few legumes like limas or black-eyed peas, etc of any kind. I keep trying and keep getting the same answers from my gut....sorry but no.
I think it's a problem breaking them down, not an allergic thing. But I don't have problems with nuts which have a lot of fiber too.

OTOH I can have a bit of dairy nowadays and the only problem will be some gas. Too much dairy will still=D for me.
At least I know what I'm getting into when ice cream calls my name

I definitely agree with this InSoFla. It's the same thing with dairy. Whatever guy came up with the idea that humans need to consume a specific amount of dairy a day was absolutely wrong, most stomachs can't break down the sugars, and in gluten, its the proteins that are becoming a major problem.

Babeinthewoods,

I'm surprised you can tolerate corn. So many non-IBDers can't. It's good you've found what works for you.

http://www.enabling.org/ia/celiac/buckwht.html

Here's the definition of buckwheat, for those of us that are not in the know:

"...The first thing you should know about buckwheat is that it’s gluten free. The most important thing you should know about buckwheat is whether it’s contaminated

Despite its unfortunate (for celiacs) name buckwheat is a fruit. It’s a dicot in the polygonaceae family, which also includes rhubarb and sorrel. All known toxic grains are monocots."

Buckwheat pancakes - sounds great!

imagardener2,

 and keep getting the same answers from my gut....sorry but no.

I hear you, and feel exactly the same way.

When I splurge on ice cream, I make sure to follow it up with a double dose of VSL in extra slippery elm powder, and that usually is enough of a preventive that I won't have to pay the price.

I had to look up OTOH... haha...I couldn't figure it out

insofla, i'm definitely with ya on this. have you read the book Grain Damage? it's all about how grains are so acid forming in the body and we really have no use for them. they are so hard to digest even though we are always told that whole grain is better for us! it's worse!! our body has a much harder time digesting the bran instead of a refined grain like white rice. beans give me a lot of gas, too, but when i was sick last year, all i wanted to eat was hummus! mainly because it tasted good and has a ton of calories. if i didn't have hummus, i probably would've starved! ahhhh

LOL....

Thanks for that link, Alinus. It also says tannins are (or have) anti-nutrients! But it does say However, polyphenols such as tannins have anticancer properties, so drinks such as green tea that contain large amounts of these compounds might be good for the health of some people despite their antinutrient properties.

This is why people like me find it all so confusing to try to figure out nutrition. There are so many contradictions.

i do not know what's the IBD rate in japanese population, if you have the data, please post it.
should be really interesting to know.
if i remember well IBD is mostly spread in northern hemisphere (but i could be wrong) and mostly in occidental countries (white population mostly). there's also a high rate of autoimmune diseases in India (i am speaking about ankylosing spondilitys - i do not have data for IBD).

the life expectancy increased in modern countries mostly because of the modern medicine and the fact that process of urbanisation solved many hygiene problems. Japan has one of the highest rates of urbanism and one of the best medical systems in the world.

i am thinking we also should take into consideration that rice does not contain true gluten (some say gluten sensitivity plays a big role in gut inflammation).

P.S.
As far as i see it, we, IBD'ers. are simply a part of the evolution process: diet changed, and we did not. thus...we should be off the competition.
consider the fact that if we've had IBD 3 centuries ago then most problably you'd be dead and most of us would not have offsprings. the species eliminates what's the worse from it's specimens. if not for modern medicine - medication, tests, colonoscopies and so on - we would not be here probably discussing about diets or anything else. same for those with other autoimmune diseases - take me for example - i also have AS - what woman would have marry me 300 years ago if in my 20's i would not have been able to work and put food on the table? so no offsprings for me :) and thus my genetic line - flawed from the point of evolutionary principle - would have dissapeared sooner or later.

P.P.S. i do not want to offend someone with what i've previously written. i do believe we have the right to be here :) no matter what autoimmune dissorders we may have. but i tried to put the problem a little bit more cynically... to think about humans same as we think about mice for example.

Trojen,
We have removed gluten in the past, no effect. We went very low carb (ketosis) for a while (crazy but desperate), at first it helped a lot but then didn't get to remission and flared out of control anyway. With a child I think you have to consider quality of life issues. They can't just eat meat and veg at every meal (not only does it mean they can't really socialize it also means they will lose a dangerous amount of weight, I don't care you can talk about all the healthy fats you want. We included lots of fat but no grains = serious weight loss in our case). That's why the Atkins diet works. For us, it was not the answer (btw, same thing happened with scd in which we included cheese, butter etc .but too much weight loss).
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trojen said...
What the *%# Alinus?

I want to know who out there consumes grains without issues, despite having UC. I need to know if this is a must do if you have UC. Can the residual effect sneak up on you later as suggested by soystud? Or, is this just another treatment option like gluten, dairy, etc.?


The reason I ask is my son has no issues with grains, dairy, gluten, etc. That said, we choose to eat a very healthy, all natural diet that mostly mimics the Makers/Biblical diet.

i cannot answer your questions, because there's a lot of data that can contradict both point of views (grains or no grains). most probably theres more data that will advertise grains.
i can speak for my self only: i do not eat grains anymore. and the most important argument for this is because i am better of. not only with my UC and AS. i weight now same as i did when i was 22 - 80 kg (before i was 110 kg), i am in a good shape. my fatty liver problems dissapeared after going on this diet. my HDL is higher than before (true - the cholesterol levels as a hole are higher than average, but they were always this way, and even if some years ago i've gone vegetarian for a couple of months my HDL did not increased and LDL did not decreased, as it happened now), my triglycerides are low

i have a brother (22) and a sister (15). my brother eats mostly western diet. so far no problems for him. my sister is on some kind of paleo/natural diet - because she's orphan she lives with me and that's the food we are eating in this house. no problems for her either. she looks just fine and grows just fine. i do not forbid her to eat whatever she likes when she goes out, but at home this diet has become a habit and not because of my special diet, but because my wife likes to cook this way and she thinks it's ok to do it.


there's no way telling if your kid will get into trouble. so if you know that he has no issues with what we discuss here then let him be. it's your choice and his.

In relation to abstaining from grains/legumes via the SCD diet, I read this article today from CCFA and it proved pretty interesting for all of us who are doing the SCD diet.

Basically, doctors are concerned about those who go ahead with this diet without supervision. SCD advises to eliminate starchy vegetables and grains, but these two food groups are the fuel source for colon cells and without them they apparently don't function well enough and can lead to diversion colitis. Read more .. EDIT: www.ccfa.org/about/news/scd The link isnt showing up for me either sometimes, you could type in google i think...

I don't know what to think about it, other than I'll talk to my GI doc tomorrow about it.

Post Edited (stereofidelic89) : 1/23/2012 5:23:08 PM (GMT-7)