Lactose Intolerance ...and the wrong type of cow!

I have read of this right cow/wrong cow theory before. One more reason I want to visit France
France is very protective of their farms and produce, much more pro-small farmer than Big Agri.

OT: Organic Valley milk is now labeled Pasture Raised. Yay, an improvement. It says "natural source of CLA"
My lactose intolerance has gone away since my colon healed but it took a loooong time.

There is NO "healthy" milk. I don't care if it's raw milk squeezed out the breasts of Wonderwoman or a an "A2" cow. Drinking milk from an A2 cow makes no difference when it comes to the fact that you are drinking a cup full of fat, cholesterol, hormones, bacteria, pesticides and pus. Humans are the only other animal that steals the breast milk of other species. Btw, France's obesity rate is sky rocketing and they are quickly becoming a nation of fatties; catching up to their American brothers and sisters when it comes to diseases related to the high consumption of dairy and meats.

follyism said...
There is NO "healthy" milk. I don't care if it's raw milk squeezed out the breasts of Wonderwoman or a an "A2" cow. Drinking milk from an A2 cow makes no difference when it comes to the fact that you are drinking a cup full of fat, cholesterol, hormones, bacteria, pesticides and pus. Humans are the only other animal that steals the breast milk of other species. Btw, France's obesity rate is sky rocketing and they are quickly becoming a nation of fatties; catching up to their American brothers and sisters when it comes to diseases related to the high consumption of dairy and meats.

Boy oh boy are you coming at this from the wrong direction!! Yes the French are succumbing to the American obesity disease spectrum, but that is because they are abandoning their traditional French - HIGH FAT - diet in favour of an American high carb diet! The French dietary model has historically been excluded from sponsored studies because it disproved theories linking low fat, high carb to improved health and lower body weight whereas in fact the French traditionally carried lower body fat and were less susceptible to insulin resistance and obesity than other developed nations BECAUSE of the propensity of fat in their diet. Do some research before chucking out ill reasoned contentions. Natural fats are healthy, cholesterol is not unhealthy and the French are becoming fat on McD's not butter, cheese & foie gras. Personally I don't drink milk, but that is not because I have an aversion to ingesting animal products - I still use cream, butter and cheese and don't consider this an abomination.

We need to eat 30 bananas per day.

Sibby said...
Interesting.

I still believe, -as it hurts me to do so when I love cheese so much-, humans shouldn't drink milk. We can sustain ourselves on mother's milk because we're from the same species. I'm not saying you should go ask a lactating mother to hand over some milk, but in the early stages of life we can live off of our mother's milk.

Why drink it anyways? Food and supplements can give you your daily need anyways without the white stuff.

we don't need to drink it...

I barely drink any milk...

but cheese....mmmmmmm cheese.

I'm just going to ignore you personal attacks on me and focus on facts, like I always do. The nations you mention do have the highest per capita of consumption of dairy, spot on. What they also have is the highest rate of bone disease, heart disease and cancer "per capita" in Europe. It's not like eating animal protein leeches calcium from your bones in the digestive process, oh wait, woopsie, it does:

"Our bodies contain 2 pounds to 4 pounds of calcium, 99 percent of which is in our bones and teeth, the rest circulates in the blood where it is necessary for nervous-system function. Eating animal protein, which is high in sulfur-containing amino acids, requires the body to buffer the effects of those amino acids. It does so by releasing calcium from the bones, literally peeing them away. But this leaching of calcium should be offset if the balance of calcium to protein in the diet is within a reasonable range. Robert Heaney, professor of medicine at the Creighton University School of Medicine and a proponent of high dairy consumption, found in a study he co-authored that the "single most important determinate of the rate of bone gain" in young women was not the amount of calcium consumed but the ratio of calcium to protein. But it's a difficult balance to strike when it's common for Americans to eat double the protein we need, with 70 percent of it coming from animal sources.

Could there be some other dietary factor at work as well? Retired Harvard professor of nutrition Mark Hegsted thinks there may be. He believes calcium consumption may be at the root of our bone problems, but his heretical hypothesis is not that we don't get enough calcium but rather that we get too much. In an article in the Journal of Nutrition he writes, "[H]ip fractures are more frequent in populations where dairy products are commonly consumed and calcium intakes are relatively high. Is there any possibility that this is a causal relationship?"" Source: www.slate.com/articles/briefing/articles/1999/08/got_osteoporosis.html

Gee London_Gal, only the most comprehensive study on diet and disease known as The China Study has shown that high carb, low fat lifestyle reduces the chances of you getting bone disease, heart disease, diabetes, cancer etc etc. Must be some sort of conspiracy theory.

Post Edited (follyism) : 5/13/2012 1:55:47 PM (GMT-6)

And here are the stats for heart disease: www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_hea_dis_dea-health-heart-disease-deaths and diabetes: www.allcountries.org/ranks/diabetes_prevalence_country_ranks.html

Post Edited (London_Gal) : 5/13/2012 2:12:38 PM (GMT-6)

Ima,

Be careful, as quite a few smaller organic manufacturers have been bought out by big Agra, and have not made the disclosure on their labels....

London_Gal, beautiful photographs! I enjoyed those. Thanks.

Nice thread.

There is an organic grass fed dairy farm (30 minutes from me) that has a small herd of solely Jersey cows that do gate sales of raw milk. I might just have to start heading there instead of my other supplier.

I hadn't really been that aware of the A1 A2 debate so thanks InSoFla

Follyism- you have an ideological aversion to the idea that a low carb diet can be healthier than low fat/ high carb. The China Study is hardly a monumental piece of work- for one thing it was as the title indicates limited to China. There are numerous population cohorts who do well on hi fat, low carb, and many of us with IBD have done much, much better on paleo than on high carb, low fat- night and day differences. Really, the one thing that is emerging is that both low and high carb diets can be healthy, depending on ones individual tolerances, provided that refined carbs, esp. Sugars, are eliminated-, and secondly, that processed food is avoided like the plague; they are the true evils, not fats and carbs. Low fat/high carb mania in the 70s/80s played a major role in creating America's obesity and diabetes epidemic today, as fats got replaced with procesSed sugary trash.