Phosphatidylcholine (again)

Hello folks,

A while ago, I researched Phosphatidylcholine but for some reason, did not follow up. I would like to look into it again. I don't exactly remember how PC helps but was shown to be useful in UC.

I wonder if anyone here is using it. Price range seems to be varying a lot so not too sure what the real difference is. I did not find that even when I researched, every brand was beating the drum that their product is good with tweaked (?) statistics. I would love to know if anybody else dug into it and found anything interesting.

If anybody is taking it, what brand and dosage? I would certainly like to stay away from soy product so any comment on that part will be certainly beneficial.

Many thanks in advance.

(P.S. - there are some old threads but I did not find them useful)

I have moved beyond PC and Lecithin and into alpha GPC (alpha glycerophosphorylcholine).

Then I moved again into BRAIN OCTANE. Piracetam has already proven beneficial cognitively and in reduction of clots.

www.superiornutraceuticals.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SN&Product_Code=BO120ANI&Category_Code=AASN

Aniracetam works great and is about half the cost of Pramiracetam.

I take these every morning to boost cognition.

I was one of those who ordered some from Germany. I had high hopes for it but the enteric spray used on the lecithin (PC) granules evidently flares up my UC- honest to goodness- pain, gas and cramps all started to accelerate in proportion to how much I took. Perhaps if I took a tiny dose for many days and took weeks to ramp up the recommended daily dose, my system could acclimitize, but I suffered too much worsening symptoms even on reduced dosages so I doubt it. Klinipharm told me that they had never heard of a patient reacting to it like I did, so perhaps I am a freak- The science behind it sounds great and I hope it helps someone. By the way, it comes in the form of enterically sprayed granules- not capsules.

I keep meaning to give myself a multiweek trial of homemade PC enemas using inexpensive lecithin Granules, but haven't got around to it yet. In prior rPC threads one HW poster claimed that he coukd stamp out flares using them.

Post Edited (Probiotic) : 9/23/2012 7:52:14 PM (GMT-6)

deltaforce said...
@aguywithuc,
Piracetam represents totally different scenario with very conflicting results. In my search, I found that NIH funded studies didn't report gains but industry sponsored studies reported tons of benefits. I don't have references handy but it was done 2 years ago (when a pediatrician Rxed 2year old DS as soon as he was diagnosed with autism). I stayed away from it.

Piracetam rocks - but I dont take it to improve UC.

I take it to improve cognition and reduce the chance of a 2nd UC-related stroke.

Alcoholism
Piracetam appears to be effective in treating cognitive impairment in alcoholism.[18][19][20][21][22][23]

Clotting, coagulation, vasospastic disorders
Piracetam is useful as a long-term treatment for clotting, coagulation, and vasospastic disorders such as Raynaud's phenomenonand deep-vein thrombosis. It is an extremely safe anti-thrombotic agent that operates through the novel mechanism of inhibiting platelet aggregation and enhancing blood-cell deformability. Because traditional anti-thrombotic drugs operate through the separate mechanism of inhibiting clotting factors, co-administration of piracetam has been shown to highly complement the efficacy and safety of traditional Warfarin/Heparin anti-coagulation therapy. The most effective treatment range for this use is a daily dose of 4.8 to 9.6 grams divided into three daily doses at 8 hours apart. Piracetam was investigated as a complement or alternative to Warfarin as a safe and effective long-term treatment for recurring deep-vein thrombosis.


Stroke, ischemia and symptoms
Piracetam has been found to improve cognition after stroke, and reduce symptoms, such as aphasia.[29] It also improves cognition in cases of chronic ischemia.[30][31]

Hi,
the rPC formulation of Klinipharm is non-identical with the formulation of the clinical studies!
They are just trying to recreate the rPC-Formulation.

Also, they were not involved in the clinical studies.

I would like more info on how to order the klinipharm product as far as what is needed on script, etc... also, what people have been paying on average...

My worry is that this seems like enteric coated PC granules... I can have a friend enteric coat high levels of PC gel capsules, the real trick is the delayed release bypassing the small intestine and getting into the colon for release...

yes, and no response on both occasions...?