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Posted 12/27/2012 4:33 PM (GMT 0)
Difficult to find good info as opposed to speculation. But it would seem that this is a real problem.

http://www.essence-llc.com/Soil%20Depletion.pdf

I am starting to take kelp pills,but dried seaweed might be better,you should get everything you need from it.

I am concentrating on cobalt at this time,but trace minerals are needed for many reactions to take place properly in the body. Yes cobalt is in B12 but I suspect free ingested cobalt might also be necessary,to get heme oxygenase-1

to kick in properly.  I always talk about something happening prior to about 1920,trace mineral depletion of soils

is another possiblity that might cause the increase in the incidence of UC. Unrefined sea salt,and shellfish are other options.

Old Mike

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3214703/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23266559

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21444764

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15932518

Interesting concept.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1693790/

Finally found some science.

http://ucanr.org/repository/cao/landingpage.cfm?article=ca.v054n02p49&fulltext=yes

 http://www.iuss.org/19th%20WCSS/Symposium/pdf/1003.pdf

 

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 12/27/2012 1:11:30 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/27/2012 5:49 PM (GMT 0)
It's just common sense when you stop to think about it. The way we grow our food is so far off the beaten path.

Do you live anywhere near a biodynamic farm, OM? A huge part of their work is rebuilding the soil. We have friends who farm this way, though they are just getting started (year 4) and it takes time. I buy most of my summer produce from them and even managed to freeze a bit.

I think the reason I feel so fantastic after I eat sushi is largely because of the seaweed, but that's just my own speculation
Posted 12/27/2012 6:41 PM (GMT 0)
OM which ones do you take? I was going to order some for my girls - specifically for the iodine but for all of the other stuff as well.
Posted 12/27/2012 7:12 PM (GMT 0)
I am taking the NOW kekp,but believe there might be better out there,or just sea weed from an asian grocery store.

It is interesting that just about all the research on trace elements seem to just talk about iron,copper,selenium and zinc that is about it. 100 years ago there had to be a higher concentraion of micro nutrient minerals in food then there is today,are we missing some important elemengt that they have neglected.
OM

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 12/27/2012 12:24:28 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/27/2012 7:41 PM (GMT 0)
I was going to order this (it's the one recommended by Terry Wahls but I don't know much more about it).
http://www.klamathbluegreen.com/
Posted 12/27/2012 8:03 PM (GMT 0)
Kill: This is from a lake,I suspect quite different than from the ocean. I am looking for elements that are in the ocean.
OM
Posted 12/27/2012 8:10 PM (GMT 0)
Hmmm. I think I'll look into it more. I'll likely try this one though (again mostly for the iodine).
Posted 12/27/2012 11:19 PM (GMT 0)
I think I'm going to start back up on Primal Defense probiotics. They are described as basically dirt pills, with the theory that our diet has become more sterile as pesticides deplete the soil of helpful organisms and as the soil becomes more deficient in important minerals. They always seemed to help me before but I got away from them for some reason, probably the cost. They are expensive.
Posted 12/28/2012 2:19 AM (GMT 0)
C_G_K- I hear you on the PD products. They do a decent job if packing in "a little bit of everything" in stuff like the raw vitamins and probiotics, and not a lot of filler, so I am using them to plug the gaps for micronutrients- esp given my limited paleo/FODMAPS/SCD hybrid diet.
Posted 12/28/2012 2:46 AM (GMT 0)
Are they (primal defense) not spore forming? I read that on Jini Patel's site a long time ago and I've never used them for that reason. Thoughts?
Posted 12/28/2012 4:26 AM (GMT 0)

killcolitis said...
Are they (primal defense) not spore forming?

Honestly I don't know about that. All I know is Garden of Life claims that the probiotics in primal defense are organisms found in rich, healthy soil, like what we used to grow our vegetables in before commercial farming and extensive pesticide use, and these organisms are very hardy and can even survive cleaning and cooking.

These soil organisms are said to have powerful anti-biotic properties (against aggressive harmful bacteria and fungus) because soil is a bacterial jungle and it's the only way they can survive.

The pills are expensive though. Worth it if they help you.I'm going to pick some up again.

To me there seems to be little risk if you are ingesting things your body expects as part of a healthy diet, and something humans have been ingesting for a very long time, at least until recently.
Posted 12/28/2012 11:42 AM (GMT 0)
OM, try some beef liver. One serving has 67.3 mcg which is 1122% of the recommended daily allowance of B12.

nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/3470/2

The farmer that I get my beef from gives it away so I now eat a little over a serving once a week.

It doesn't appear that kelp has any B12 in it. It doesn't appear to have a significant quantity of any vitamins or minerals. I suppose if you ate a large enough quantity but the stuff is expensive.

nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2617/2

I do add kelp powder to my soup so I get iodine.

I have been using www.nutrimirror.com to track my nutrient levels. It does a pretty good job but still doesn't have all of the nutrients that I would like to track. cronometer.com/ seems to have more nutrients but its free version lacks usability features that I desire.
Posted 12/28/2012 1:16 PM (GMT 0)
TAP: In this instance not looking for B12 or any other vitamins from kelp or unrefined sea salt, only
care about the trace amounts of minerals that are in the ocean and perhaps not in food grown on depleted soil. Also  primal defense bacteria,been there done that 20 plus years ago, no effect on my UC. It may of course help others.
OM

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 12/28/2012 6:49:43 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 5/8/2013 11:40 PM (GMT 0)
I'm taking kelp three nights a week for iodine. I've noticed consistently that I have more energy the next day.
Posted 5/8/2013 11:53 PM (GMT 0)
Oddly my father was just talking to me about this. He watched a documentary on TV that discussed this and the coincidence with Autoimmune, or chronic inflammation.

I kept meaning to look into it but became side tracked with other things. Just one more thing that point out the bad side of heavily processed foods and over farming etc.

I doubt it would have a major effect on UC but a) it gotta be good to add a some of these and b) maybe in along with other dietary changes it would be beneficial - or at least reduce some of the symptoms.
Posted 5/9/2013 12:56 AM (GMT 0)
"I think I'm going to start back up on Primal Defense probiotics"

these seem to be working for me - i picked them up on sale when i stopped in a heaqlth for store about 30 miles from my house - i go there occasionally and happened to see these, thought i'd give em a try, seein's how they had the dirt and all -
Posted 5/9/2013 2:18 AM (GMT 0)
I take Primal Defense Ultra - because that looked like 'the best' probiotic at the store that day. They don't give me horrible gas, which always makes me suspect the probiotic may not be working :)

I don't notice any UC change with the kelp, but I take it M W F, and I feel more energetic and less foggy on T Th Sa.

We also alternate iodized salt and Celtic sea salt for sea minerals.
Posted 5/9/2013 2:32 AM (GMT 0)
Doesn't Carrageenan come from seaweed? hopefully not the type in supplements.
Posted 5/9/2013 4:54 AM (GMT 0)
OM, and anyone else, here is a truly great source for seaweed: www.seaweedman.com

My inlaws have been ordering seaweed from him for over 30 years. Larch is a very interesting man, some say very enlightened.

The quality is as good as you can get; and it comes from Maine where the waters are pristine compared with China, Korea, and (now, unfortunately) Japan.
Posted 5/9/2013 11:36 AM (GMT 0)

NomasUC said...
Doesn't Carrageenan come from seaweed? hopefully not the type in supplements.

Traditionally, the species of algae used to produce carrageenan was Irish moss or Chondrus crispus. In modern times, the kappa class is mostly produced from the Eucheuma cottonii species, while iota comes from Eucheuma denticulatum and lambda from species in the Gigartina genus. Other types of red algae are also used, and yield various amounts of each class.
m.wisegeek.org/what-is-carrageenan.htm

Kelp is Laminaria. You should be able to find the specific species on your supplement label.
Posted 5/10/2013 2:13 AM (GMT 0)
Thank you for the helpful information Tornado 6.
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