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Posted 7/31/2013 2:39 AM (GMT 0)
Say SCD and GAPS diet in fact does induce remission etc It doesn't neccessary mean that the theory behind these diets and trying to fix these bacteria issues are the cause of Colitis and other gut disorders.

When you go on these strict diets.

You eleminate additives and perservites etc.

You introduce probiotic yoghurt.

You greatly increase your mico-nutrients.

Placebo effect.

You elimate specific carbs.

There are so many factors that how would one know if eating every type of carbs actaully does any harm. When you change so many other variables.

Posted 7/31/2013 3:21 AM (GMT 0)
Im on gluten free, diary free, starch free diet since 3-4 months. But fo me nothing changed. Infact symptom wise im bad. So im thinking of eliminating only preservatives,additives,dairy etc
Posted 7/31/2013 3:31 AM (GMT 0)
the way I look at this whole thing is probably pretty screwy to most people -

I just think no matter what your colon is doing, whether it's happy or not, eliminating "crap" from your diet only makes sense -

as far as carbs, I think less is better for a lot of folks, but not everyone -

how you had any food allergy/intolerance testing done ? I think that is one way to narrow things down and level the playing field - better than just shooting in the dark -
Posted 7/31/2013 4:00 AM (GMT 0)
The aspect of the SCD diet that I found beneficial was the elimination portion; slowly introducing foods after eliminating all but the "bare bones" of your diet (chicken soup). I don't think many will deny that this disease is very much unique to each individual, and this allowed me at least to find trigger foods and create a personalized diet that promotes my own remission.

All of this to say, there are plenty of theories that we can doubt and question and I know that I had tried several until I had found what worked best for me. It wasn't the theory or evidence to support it that swayed me, it was the results I was seeing every day.
Posted 7/31/2013 2:06 PM (GMT 0)
Gaps is for IBS not IBD.

For me it is about putting positives into the diet and removing negatives. Getting some 'balance' in the diet, the really good offsets a lot of bad.

For example I eat RS diet beans and that gives me room for cheat foods like cherry coke - never thought I would be drinking soda pop.
Posted 7/31/2013 2:16 PM (GMT 0)
if SCD was a valid theory, it would work on most people with UC. I tried SCD for over a year with no results whatsoever. I agree with previous posters, eliminating junk from your diet is always a good idea, there is no downside. but if carbs really was the source of all this UC suffering, eliminating carbs should have alleviated my symptoms, which it did not, therefore I believe the SCD theory to be total bunk.
Posted 7/31/2013 2:20 PM (GMT 0)
I don't think diet has anything to do with my particular case of UC. I tried SCD without luck. I read a ton about the diet and Iwas very hopeful that it would help me, the idea behind the diet makes a lot of sense to me. In my case unfortunately it didn't help at all.
Posted 7/31/2013 2:29 PM (GMT 0)
Feeling better is the main thing IMO. I do wonder what caused this but more importantly I just want to get better. If SCD allows me to go into remission without meds I'm going to do it. I started this diet based off of an acquaintance who found remission using this diet and has been so for over 10 years now and people on the forum who said it worked for them. I don't think we all have the same issue just the same type of poops so it won't work for everyone the same.
Posted 7/31/2013 2:31 PM (GMT 0)
one woman's bunk is another woman's dreamy hunk -
Posted 7/31/2013 4:18 PM (GMT 0)
one woman's bunk is another woman's dreamy hunk - wise guy eh?
Posted 7/31/2013 4:29 PM (GMT 0)
In most cases I don't think diet caused UC (maybe it was one of a bunch of triggers, maybe). It is factual evidence though that UC causes damage to the colon and this damage could lead to food insensitivities, or whatever you want to call it. If a particular individual has the insensitivities then I wholeheartedly believe that changing your diet could improve your situation but in most cases it will not cure you because whatever it was that caused UC and the damage to your colon in the first place is still present.
Posted 7/31/2013 4:30 PM (GMT 0)
Why I otta...
Posted 7/31/2013 4:32 PM (GMT 0)
SCD actually made me worse....much worse. Everyone's different.
Posted 7/31/2013 4:45 PM (GMT 0)
I was skinny before SDC, after I started SDC I lost even more weight ( I am 5feet 7in and my weight dropped to 100 pounds from 110) and looked like a walking skeleton. My blood pressure dropped so low I could barely stand on my two feet (89 by56). I literally became dangerous to continue this diet.
For me rice is a very important part to stay alive, when I am going through a flare.
I agree, diet does not cause UC, bacteria does. Diet does not really cure the disease, but it make it more tolerable and less irritating to the gut.
Posted 7/31/2013 4:46 PM (GMT 0)
ya, you're right beat ....... but you won't ;-)
Posted 7/31/2013 5:39 PM (GMT 0)
nyuk, nyuk, nyuk...
Posted 7/31/2013 6:02 PM (GMT 0)
I credit the SCD with getting me started to find the optimum flare-preventing diet for me which was a lower carb, paleo'ish version of the SCD, but I do think the science behind the SCD is rather out-dated- most of the citations are from the 1950s and earlier. It has also created a sort if cult around things being "illegal" vs "legal" whereas really everybody has to trial and error their way to finding what foods help and hurt their IBD. But I am certainly a believer in low carb being healthful (for many) vs high carb, and SCD is vastly lower carb than the refined processed corn product diet that is the bulk of North American's cuisine.
Posted 7/31/2013 11:17 PM (GMT 0)
The diet that works best for me is RS resistant starch. Converts to butyrate just like psyllium seed powder which was always beneficial and always awful to consume. Now Navy beans and greenish banana's do the job quite well. I am at prednisone zero and ate all kinds of junk today along with really good food. Will be sure to have a side of navy beans as I had none today, a little each day with butter and eggs at breakfast or in my chili or as a side with dinner keeps me doing great.

RS thickens the mucosal layer while high protein is shown scientifically to thin it. I cut out carbs per SCD with varying success, but I never read any scientific studies backing it like I have the RS diet.

Time for my daily cherry coke. Now never ever in the past would I attempt this after tapering off pred. Normally I would be the most devote follower of SCD right now. But as long as I keep eating the navy beans I can get a away with fruit juice smoothies, cinnamon cream bundt cake at lunch with white bread chicken pesto sandwhich and I started my day with almond-poppyseed muffin with coffee. 1 BM todayafter rising/coffee and it was of good quality.

Post Edited (aguywithuc) : 7/31/2013 5:25:29 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/1/2013 12:53 AM (GMT 0)
I tried scd for a little bit, but sticking to it was very difficult for me. I was starving out of my mind 24/7. I was also on pred at the same time, so I never knew if It did anything. What I got from the book is it can take a very long time to get full remission from it if you do. She said something like at least a year.

So it takes some frickin dedication! And I think if after like a month or so nothing has changed, it may not be the right option? Something like that. But, I think it's tough because everyone is so different that just because it works for someone doesn't mean it's gonna work for everyone.

Paleo allows carbs too so it's confusing since all these diets are different but claim to be the way to remission. So it seems it's trial and error. I find the confusion also is is it drugs doing it? Food? Both?
Posted 8/1/2013 1:37 AM (GMT 0)
I see Paleo works for some but I always kind of wondered about eating like a caveman. Didn't cave men only live into their 20's or 30's? Something doesn't add up there.
Posted 8/1/2013 2:39 AM (GMT 0)
Good point garylouisville.


A guy with UC, Resistant Starch? Green bananas, Navy beans? What else do you eat for that - sounds like I need to get on that. Would love a soda right now.
Posted 8/1/2013 2:40 AM (GMT 0)
Yeah could be. I was reading about paleo as well, that the paleo idea nowadays isn't what it would have been, because they would have had more things like insects and other foods people wouldn't be eating today. But not sure if that is true or not
Posted 8/1/2013 4:14 AM (GMT 0)
I think it's worthwhile for everyone to give it a shot (SCD) - or GAPS or even Paleo... If you can mange to stay true to them even just for a week or two the bottom line is after that time on any of these diets you really learn just how much junk you used to eat before on a daily basis... so the new healthy habits tend to carry forward regardless of what diet you seem to follow in the long run. Also it gives you an idea of what you're up against should you ever choose to try one long term (6 months to a year or so) to see if you can achieve improvement via diet alteration.

In any case again, just by following them strictly for a while you really realize just how much junk is put into our bodies even if it's unintentional - and the resulting "healthy choices" tend to carry forward reading labels and thinking about what you're considering eating and so on.
Posted 8/1/2013 6:07 AM (GMT 0)

Adventureuc said...
Good point garylouisville.


A guy with UC, Resistant Starch? Green bananas, Navy beans? What else do you eat for that - sounds like I need to get on that. Would love a soda right now.

Paleo and probiotics worked - I used to put down a flare simply by eating salmon for breakfast salmon for lunch salmon for dinner - within a week all that anti-inflammatory fish would suppress a flare.

Now I find it hard to do that.

RS is easy. First time I got a lot of gas from beans. Supposedly the flora will improve. I stopped the RS working with my GP on lingering anemia which I also no longer have. Anyway I found out the hard way you cannot hop back onto RS just because you need to. RS requires normal transit time so the resistant starch can ferrment in the colon into butyrate. So I had to go back on prednisone. Within a week I had my transit time under control by using librax, immodium etc. No gas this time, different flora but also taking 2 probiotics. Once I was eating beans I again I just stayed on the prednisone because I get so much done. But it is very unhealthy so I tapered off and need to not get off RS again to avoid ever going on prednisone again.

I posted a lot when it allowed me to dramatically drop pred and taper quickly. This go-around I took my time coming down and want another 2 year remission like I had 2010-2012. I really expect to go longer with RS.
Posted 8/1/2013 11:20 AM (GMT 0)
i was on GAPS diet for 2 months, i thought it helped and my colon is fixing (the diet reduced diarrhea, cramping amd pain, but not bleeding), as it turns out the diet did nothing according to my yesterday scope i went from only 5 cm proctitis to whole right side colon inflamed
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