Therapeutic efficacy of the Qing Dai in patients with intractable ulcerative colitis

@twiggs I am not a veteran member but just started CCHerbal yesterday which contains Qing Dai. I have a post where I am going to provide updates on my progress. Even though I am not a veteran member, I assure you I am a real person who has been suffering from this terrible disease for two and a half years. I just recently came across this forum. Also it seems you are one o the only active members that is on the same RX cocktail I used to be on (asacol and canasa). I was surprised to see when I first started reading this forum that there were so many different other RX combos people were on. I used to go to the Mass General Crohns and Colitis center before I moved to CA. Even with such a prestigious center the doctor there still insisted there was no dietary link or modifications. I find that too hard to believe and have been seeking alternative remedies the last few months. Will see if its possible to not have to go back to RX again.

@twiggs Thank you for posting the study, it gives me more confidence in Qung dai and I'll keep posting updates on my progress!

"A side note: It says only 21 pc of patients with IBD experiment with alternative meds...wow."



That's probably because the regular meds are working to at least some degree. Unless you are into supplements to begin with you probably aren't going to take them for a serious disease unless you are not having success with the regular meds.

Considering what OM just posted about the one ingredient "Indigo Naturalis" in CCHerbal I may not be trying it but would definatly conisider some Qing Dai alone. I like to think that these studies are pretty rock solid but they are no guarantee that they will help all of us. I will keep an eye on more studies with this herb especially studies involving more participants. Otherwise it is a "goto" herb if all else fails..I like to keep some "other" options in the back of my mind for my own peace of mind and perhaps it is just that it makes me feel like I am not out of options on the traditional front.

If anyone gives the Qing Dai a go and also knows a reputable source to get it please keep us posted. I think with the preliminary reasearch done on this it looks very promising.

 

I do see that now but I have to ask..I do see that they mention this..

CONCLUSIONS:

Patients having psoriasis or ITP treated with Chinese traditional medicine containing Indigo Naturalis have an inclination to colon mucosa lesions, even ischemic lesion. Careful assessment and observation before prescribing are necessary in these patients.

I am wondering if it effects us in different ways considering our conditions..I mean they are talking specifically about psoriasis or ITP. Could the herb act differently in people with that condition rather than one with UC? It make you wonder because that other study which talked about those with UC did better on it. I dont think you can rule it out yet Mike because it just may be that if you have either of those formentioned conditions this is what will happen if you use this herb. I mean until we understand how some of these diseases work can we say that this will happen to those with UC like it did to those with psoriasis or ITP? After reading the study with this herb on UC patients it would suggest that it does not have the same detrimental effect as it does on people with ITP or psoriasis. The first sentence in their conclusion says it all. Otherwise the study done on UC patients yeilds much different results.. This study was done this past may..



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3645393/

 

Post Edited (twiggs) : 9/6/2013 8:57:35 AM (GMT-6)

Thanks for the reply lookforcure.. I think that is great news. I do also beleive and according to the research so far that Qing Dai will act differently in people with different conditions. For now the studies suggest that it can help some of those with UC specifically..For those with ITP and psoriasis not so..

Keep us informed as hwe you do with this please.. I know I will be following all those who take it and their progress reports..

@lookforcure Looks like we are on similar timing with introducing CCHerbal to our treatment plans. I am also having very good results. Today is day 4! Glad to hear it is helping you as well.

@lookforcure Thank you, my best wishes to you as well. I did have a headache the first day in the late afternoon/early evening. I just went to bed early then woke up fine the next day and have not had any since then. I still take 3 a day and make sure to have a very tall glass of water with it to really wash it down. I am also drinking more water each day in general. Are you doing the water drinking after? If not, maybe that would help you. Glad to hear that even cutting back you are finding some relief.

@franny19 I ordered CCHerbal direct through their site. You can try an order to see if they will ship to UK. Good luck!

Franny19,

I have read about the research done specifically on UC patients with very good results. I also like Plumsmom ordered from CCHerbal site with a positive result.

Plumsmom, I will take CCHerbal by itself with a lot of water and see how I am doing  and maybe will take 2 cap. per day. Please, keep in touch about your progress.

Freddyj, I have not seen anywhere info about 2 kinds of Qing Dai (Indigo Naturalis). I am sure Koreans will correct me if I am wrong. As for the side effects... and warnings, I can put a few pages of warnings and side effects about each medictions that are prescribed by the doctors regulary for UC patients. I am 1 of the patients who took 3 different drugs my doctor prescribed and each of them gave me a very bad reactions: anything from itchiness all over, heart palpitations, dizziness and hallucinations. So for me a headache and nausea is a small price to pay for decreasing my trips to the bathroom from 10-14 to 1-2.

Of course, everybody is free to do whatever they want and take what they want for their UC. 

 

Both Isatis and Indigo, two different genera in two different families go by the name "Qing dai". Google it. And beware of shills.

lookforcure said...
Franny19,
I have read about the research done specifically on UC patients with very good results. I also like Plumsmom ordered from CCHerbal site with a positive result.



Plumsmom, I will take CCHerbal by itself with a lot of water and see how I am doing and maybe will take 2 cap. per day. Please, keep in touch about your progress.



Freddyj, I have not seen anywhere info about 2 kinds of Qing Dai (Indigo Naturalis). I am sure Koreans will correct me if I am wrong. As for the side effects... and warnings, I can put a few pages of warnings and side effects about each medictions that are prescribed by the doctors regulary for UC patients. I am 1 of the patients who took 3 different drugs my doctor prescribed and each of them gave me a very bad reactions: anything from itchiness all over, heart palpitations, dizziness and hallucinations. So for me a headache and nausea is a small price to pay for decreasing my trips to the bathroom from 10-14 to 1-2.

Of course, everybody is free to do whatever they want and take what they want for their UC.

I went MJ too and was really disappointed. wasn't Sure if it was my doc or the center, but I had the same experience.