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Posted 8/2/2013 8:22 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Lana,

ok cool. Got it. Thank you so much for your response.
Life is all about experimenting and experiencing :-)
Posted 8/13/2013 1:09 PM (GMT 0)
Hi lookforcure,

I just received the Pascalite clay sample. I also came to know from James Brown the California Earth Minerals VP that I can get Terramin in Netherlands from Rejuvenal having the similar product called Terra matrix. He says that the Terra Matrix is the same as Terramin.

I will give Terramin a try later. But Argiletz Montomorillonite didn't help me as I still have the inflammation left and on Saturday there was a little bleeding.

So thinking to give Pascalite a try. I should start with 1/2 tea spoon 3 times a day?

Cheers
Posted 8/13/2013 1:36 PM (GMT 0)
Yes.
You will not really know much from a small sample that will last maybe a couple of days. Give a try, at least you will know that it will not hurt you.
Posted 8/13/2013 1:47 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you lookforcure. Yes, after trying the sample I will order one.
The left side is heavily bloated; I could feel the gas being trapped. Heck not coming out.

Tomorrow I will receive the Mutaflor blush not sure I'm trying too many things!!! But I think unless I try different things I wouldn't know the way for remission.
Posted 8/13/2013 2:07 PM (GMT 0)
Good!
As soon as you get Mutaflor, put it in the refrigerator.
You will start 1 capsule of Mutaflor after breakfast for, I believe 3 first days and then increase to 2 capsules per day. Just read the information that will come with it. You might get a little gas for the first few days, I did not have anything dramatic from it, not like VSL3. This is just a temporary thing while your body is adjusting to a new bacteria. If you have a lot of " bad guys" in your gut, you might have more of a reaction, do not panic, it will go away, just do not stop Mutaflor.
As for clay, do not take Pascalite together with Mutaflor, give about 1-2 hours in between. The clay should not hurt the good bacteria, this is just in case, extra precaution.
I hope you should start notice a some improvement in 3 days.
Let me know how you are doing.
Good luck!
Posted 9/4/2013 7:06 PM (GMT 0)
Hi lookforcure,

I saw from other thread of yours, seems that you flared after stopping the clay?
Unfortunately Mutaflor is not helping me much. I still have mucus in the stool and urgency and I have a 2nd BM after first. The second BM contains more mucus.

I'm also on Pentasa 4g and Salofalk 4g nightly.

I'm yet to receive the Pascalite clay. I'm just hoping atleast that will help.
Posted 9/5/2013 1:36 AM (GMT 0)
Hello Sarav84,
yes, I am in a flare but it is seems I am slowly getting better. I went from 5-6 times getting up just during a night plus the same during a day (10-12 times in 24 hours) plus pain, bad cramps, a lot of blood, nausea and very dizzy... to 1 time in 24 hours with no visible blood. Still weak though...
What I take now:
1)I drink Pascalite mixed with some activated charcoal (1tablespoon in 8oz of water+1/2 teaspoon of activated charcoal powder made from coconut shells), when I drink the "liqiud" part, I fill the glass with more water, mix well, let it settle a little and drink more throughout a day/night....till it is gone.
2)I take CCHerbal, containg Qing Dai...1 cap. 3 times per day with every meal It seems to help but gives me headaches.
3)I take MAXGXL that help to stimulate glutathoine production in the body and stimulate immune system. I take 2 cap. with each meal.
4)I take 1-2 capsules of Albion Chelated multi-minerals to get minerals in my body and help to keep GI system more alkaline.
5) I drink Slippery elm bark tea to coat my GI system.
6) I sip the water that has some baking soda in it after each meal to buffer the access stomach acid and to relieve the pain if I have any. It does help by the way. Just take 1/2 glass of warm water, put 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda, mix well till soda is completely disolved and drink some of it. You should feel the result within minutes.
I do not quite know what actually works, I think it is a combination of all of the above...

As soon as I receive flax seeds, I will boil them till they get soft and gel-like and I will take that gel internally a few times per day, probably before each meal and before bed and will make an enema with it to coat the colon before bed to heal it completely.
As for Mutaflor, I would keep taking it for at least 1 month before making any conclusion if it will work. You might need more time to heal, especially since you are on other drugs that might interfere with it...
Posted 9/5/2013 8:25 AM (GMT 0)
Hi lookforcure,

That's great that you are feeling better.
How long were you off from the clay?

You say that you take MAXGXL to stimulate the immune system. This is where I'm confused. My GI and my collegue who has IBD says 'You should NOT take anything that boosts or stimulate your immune system because IBD is nothing but due to overactive immune response or crazy crappy immune system'.

You say that you take 1-2 capsules of Albion Chelated multi-minerals to get minerals in my body and help to keep GI system more alkaline. But what about the clay? I think the clay claims to supply body the necessary minerals and maintain the alkaline level. Is it not the case?

You say that 'As for Mutaflor, I would keep taking it for at least 1 month before making any conclusion if it will work. You might need more time to heal'. But I was on Prednisolone since May'13 to July'13 and it sort of stopped the diarrhea and blood. But the 'have to go' feeling has been persistent and still. So wouldn't the colon got healed during the pred course?
Now in addition to the 'have to go' feeling, there has been mucus discharge. So the mucus layer is being stripped off every day. Now the number of BM is two with lots of mucus. As I said the 2nd BM is just immediately after the breakfast because of the spasm. As soon as I put two spoons of food into my mouth I start feeling the movement of the bowel and the rumbling in the sigmoid and rectum which triggers my brain to have a BM.
My GI thinks its IBS or spasmatic colitis and he also thinks my colon is hypersensitive. But I feel the lower part of the colon is mildly inflamed.
I'm taking 2 caps of Mutaflor per day. One in the morning after breakfast and the second before going to bed.
I think Mutaflor helps for IBS as well isn't it? May be the Mutaflor needs time to strengthen the colon?

Do you think its just because you stopped the clay is the cause for the flare? or the acid foods/veggies caused the flare irrespective of the clay?

I would receive the Pascalite clay today or tomorrow. I have ordered 1lb to start with and see how I react to.

May God makes you feel better soon.

Thanks.
Posted 9/5/2013 2:38 PM (GMT 0)
Hello Sarav84,

MAXGXL does strengthen immune system by dramatically raising your glutathione levels, with increases up to 292%.

"Modern research has shown that individuals who have low levels of glutathione are susceptible to chronic illness . <!--Read more about the direct effect of glutathione and human disease by CLICKING HERE. -->Decreased levels of glutathione can be brought about by continual stress upon the immune system. As we now know, a lowered immune system can bring about illness and disease. This is a ferocious cycle. While you need glutathione for a productive immune system, a weakened immune system hampers the production of glutathione.*"

From http://maxgxl.com/max4u/pages/?wicket:bookmarkablePage=:com.max.web.page.MaxGXLPage

I do not believe in the theory of "IBD is nothing but due to overactive immune response or crazy crappy immune system".

Since there is no known cause of IBD, including colitis, that whole idea of suppressing the immune system to me sounds absolutely insane.

In fact I have read the Russian study that took a few people with ulcerative colitis who did not respond at all to any drugs, including immunosuppressants and steroids and put the on immunostummulats and 90% of them went into remission. 

That is a prove to me we have  this disease because our immune system is too  week not to crazy overactive and attacking our bodies. I do not believe our bodies are that stupid or we all would die long time ago with dinosaurs.

Chelated multi-minerals are the easiest form of minerals to be absorbed by the body and minerals from the clay we do not absorb but in a very small amount. The only thing I know for sure when I take 2 capsules of chelated multi-minerals after a meal I seems to feel better. After I take clay I feel my GI system is soothed and calm.

Prednisolone. Since you still have mucus and urgency your colon is not completely healed by prednisolone. I think Mutaflor can help to calm your irritated colon. In your place I would stop all dairy for 2 weeks and see if mucus will stop. You might be dairy sensitive and not know it. I know when I stopped eating cheese I feel better.

I did not take clay for a few months while eating a lot of raw salads with greens, tomatoes with lemon juice or balsamic vinegar. I believe clay was protecting my GI system by neutralizing some of the acid and when I stopped the clay the acid plus rough greens scraped the walls of the colon which was not 100% healed.

That is my theory.

I know many people think I am crazy believing that colitis is caused by too high stomach acid going from a stomach into small and than large intestines and even into low colon. Maybe it is a crazy idea. But for me eating any kind of acidic food like citrus fruits, tomatoes, vinegar....every single time gave me pain, cramps and sent me to the bathroom....

And every time when have this problem I take something alkalizing like clay, activated charcoal or just water with baking soda, the pain decrease, the cramps calm down and I feel better. By the way, the pain I feel is not in my stomach but in my intestines, low abdominal area.

I do not have explanation of this I just know how I feel and what helps me personally.

Since I am doing better without any drugs, I believe I am onto something here. I do not deny that there are different causes of colitis and in my case it could be the too high stomach acid. By the way, in Russia if a person have some type of digestive disorder the first test doctors do is checking the stomach acidity to see if it is too high or too low because too high stomach acid can cause not only stomach ulcers but ulcers in duodenum (the first section of the small intestine ) and cause diarrhea and nausea. In many cases IBS is caused by too high stomach acid too because excessive stomach acid will push the food through GI system much faster....

Best wishes to you.

Posted 9/8/2013 8:56 AM (GMT 0)
Hi lookforcure,

First time I'm hearing the immunostimulants are being used for UC treatment. Anyways anything which suppresses the symptoms is always good.

If you had tried only the clay, do you think it would have stopped the diarrhea and blood for you? I think initially you were taking only the clay i.e before 14 months? But why this time you added other things as well? So the clay alone didn't stop bleeding and diarrhea?

Had you gone for a sigmoidoscopy or colonoscopy in the 14 months when you were in remission, because you say that your colon wasn't 100% healed and clay was protecting your colon.

Now when you flared, did you go for a colonoscopy/sigmoidoscopy?

Don't worry about the negativity of certain members in the forum, they might finally end up on your suggestion(s) and then they might realize - hmmm lookforcure was right.
Posted 9/8/2013 5:15 PM (GMT 0)
14 months ago I took only clay and it put me in remission without any other supplements or drugs.

This time I am not sure what happened, maybe I had more inflammation. I do not know.

I did not have colonoscopy during remission or during flare, because the actual prep for colonoscopy is very irritating since I would have to take a high dose of magnesium citrate, which I am very sensitive to and run to the bathroom multiple time to clean the colon out. Plus  the anesthesia is very hard on the body, plus the cost out of packet is pretty high, even with a good insurance. I have not seen my doctor for more than 6 years. I do not recommend others to do what I do in this sense, it is my choice.

I can not explain you how or why clay works exactly, I can just assume it neutralize the extra acid, pulled the toxins, yeast... out and helped to create the environment to heal the ulcers and irritations in the colon.

As for me saying my colon was not completely healed, what I meant is since I am in the flare now, I was not cured, just in remission. I have never claimed I was cured. It is possible if I stuck with the clay regime longer and was more careful with my diet, especially the high acid food like vinegar, lemon juice, tomatoes, I would achieve the cure I am looking for.

Now I am taking with clay MAXGXL, chelated minerals, CCHerbal (recommend to try this one) and boiled flax seeds (take only the gel part). It is working for me very well.

Posted 9/8/2013 8:31 PM (GMT 0)
Hi lookforcure,

Ok, you could have just started with clay(nothing else) during this flare and checked whether it could have stopped the bleeding and diarrhea.
Its really great that you are in remission but I would really like to suggest you to fix an appointment for a colonoscopy and see your gut, atleast this time whether there are any more ulcers left or not.
So that this will give a clear view on what the clay is actually doing.
I'm really pushing my GI for a scopy as I wanted to see whether there are any ulcers left in my gut.

Regards
Posted 9/28/2013 1:01 AM (GMT 0)
Hi, I was following your threads, and am curious how you both are doing? I am considering getting these clays for my husband. He's been suffering with UC in a constant flare for 10+ years. He's not taking any drugs because none of the traditional meds work for him.

Thanks
Posted 9/28/2013 8:43 PM (GMT 0)
Hello UC-wife,

I am doing well.I am just about out of the flare (just a little blood in the stool from time to time). I am not following a strict diet anymore: eating homemade bread, raw salads with arugula and other greens and raw peeled tomatoes, homemade soups and a lot of rice, potatoes (boiled, stewed) with a lot of cooked veggies, some eggs, a little meat (chicken/turkey).

If your husband is in a constant flare for a long time, I would suggest to start with Living clay brand, just type this name and you will see their site. Do not get too much, they sell pre-mixed, pre-hydrated, so you would not need to worry about how to properly hydrate this clay. This clay will help to decrease the BMs within a short time and calm the body down. It might take 1-2 weeks to see a dramatic result since your husband has a severe pancolits. After a few weeks you could switch to Pascalite clay or maybe just keep him on the Living clay with a lower dose.

Another thing I would recommend to try is CCHerbal, it does work. Even though I stopped it, because it started to give me constipation, I think it is a very good herb formula to calm the inflammation of UC. There a few people on this forum who have very good results like Plumsmom....

Very plain diet is very important during a flare. A lots of soups, try bone broth, no sugar/yeast, no dairy, nothing fried. For me rice with well cooked veggies like zucchini, carrots, bock choy, spinach..., baked/boiled potatoes, soft boiled eggs.

Try to give him Ginger tea. Get a fresh Ginger root, wash it well. Slice 6 very thing pieces, put them in a 8oz mug,

pour very hot water over them (not boling water), cover the mug, let it steep for 5 minutes. He needs to drink 2-3 cups of this tea per day. Ginger tea used extansively in China and Korea for digestive problems, including pain, gas, nausea, cramps, diarrhea...Highly recommend this tea to try.

Let me know if I can help in any way you and your husband.

Best wishes.

Posted 9/30/2013 3:47 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Lookforcure,
I'm so glad that you are feeling well and I am really encouraged by your success. Thank you so much for this information. I will talk to hubby tomorrow and hopefully convince him to give this a try.

He's been suffering for so long and tried various things, so has become skeptical about finding anything that could give him any freedom from the bathroom. He did try doing strict diets too, and since those didn't help, I don't know if he will agree to try restricting sugar, dairy, gluten...

He's such a fun loving outgoing guy, but I see him becoming more and more frustrated with this disease. I hope he is willing to give this a try... I will let you know... Thanks so much.
Posted 9/30/2013 2:32 PM (GMT 0)
@UC-Wife, I'm sorry for your husband. I started with Argiletz Montomorillonite green clay and I took it for a month, the urgency after the first BM, mucus discharge didn't decrease. Now I'm taking Pascalite for a week, and still the symptoms are same.
I don't know whether I have IBS or mild rectal inflammation. I have read Pascalite is a very power clay and help for both UC and IBS. I have hope in this. It has been just a week since I'm on it and I will still give it a month.

You could definitely give it a try, so far I haven't seen any harm.

@lookforcure, I thought of you during the weekend how you are feeling and a coincidence of this post :)
and glad that you are out of the flare.But you say still you see blood in the stool? Actually I wanted to ask - initially you were just on clay but now you added the extra supplements, didn't the clay alone work for you this time to stop the bleeding/got you out of the flare?
I think you have changed the clay from Pascalite + Terramin to Livingclay? So Pascalite + Terramin didn't help? I'm sorry I'm not asking these questions in a negative way, I just wanted to understand as you know I'm a starter.
Posted 9/30/2013 4:42 PM (GMT 0)
Sarav84,

I was in a very bad flare (about 15 runs to the bathroom day and night) with a lot of pain, cramps and blood. I could not leave the house at all.  I needed a very fast remedy. Pascalite is a very good clay but it needed some time to work. Terramin I stopped taking a long time ago.

Living clay because it is a swelling clay works on diarrhea much faster, that is why I took it for a very short time and so happened that a few people on this forum were talking about CCHerbal Chinese herbal formula with a good result. So I took Living clay and CCHerbal for a few days together. It stopped my diarrhea very fast (5 days) but I developed a bad headache that did not go away during day and night. I stopped the Living clay and cut the dose of CCHerbal fro 3 to 1 capsule per day. Diarrhea did not return. Unfortunately after about 8 days I became constipated. I am still somewhat constipated. I am taking just probiotics, Triphala Gold (for constipation), a little magnesium citrate powder (for constipation) and drink 2 cups of fresh root Ginger tea per day.

It seems to me I turned from one extreme to another one. As for the bleeding, usually bleeding is indication of the inflammation in the colon, which I still have some. I had a few remissions over the 7 years of this disease and the bleeding is the last symptom to disappear. It takes time. I am not particularly worried about it.

After I restore my digestion, get rid of constipation, I will restart Pascalite clay taking. It is the best thing I have found so far for me to keep control of my UC.

Since your symptoms are different than mine, it does look more like IBS, you might not have the same reaction to the things that worked for me.

I am reading a lot about traditional Chinese medicine for ulcerative colitis, it is fascinating to me. According to what I have read they do have the CURE for ulcerative colitis.

Here the link to the article and research:

http://www.itmonline.org/arts/jianpiling.htm

 

Posted 10/1/2013 4:03 AM (GMT 0)
Hi-thank you both for responding. I talked to hubby today... He didn't jump on the idea like I hoped, but is at least going to give it some thought over the next few days...which is really good because at least he didn't say no! I will keep trying to convince him to at least try it since there don't seem to be any side effects. I will keep you posted... I'm hoping to order the clay and CCherbal before the end of this week.

Thanks so much!
Posted 10/1/2013 9:35 AM (GMT 0)
Hi lookforcure,

Thank you so much for explaining me.
Yes, I hear people saying UC can be cured by the Chinese treatment.

You have been really helpful, please keep sharing anything you try or anything you think will be good to control UC.

Thanks.
Posted 10/1/2013 9:37 AM (GMT 0)
Hi UC-Wife,

The best way is you order the clay and once you receive it, you take it for a week and show him how you feel. I'm sure he will def think to give it a try.

All the best.

Thanks.
Posted 10/2/2013 3:40 AM (GMT 0)
That is a good idea! He agreed to try CCherbal, but seems hesitant to try the clay. I'm not sure why, but I will go ahead and order it. I will update when they arrive. Thanks!
Posted 10/2/2013 2:56 PM (GMT 0)
UC-Wife,
my advice to start him on 1 capsule of CCHerbal per day for 2 days, if there is no headaches or any other negative reactions, increase the dose to 2 per day for the next 3-4 days(1 in the morning and 1 in the evening). After that increase the dose to the regular 3 per day.
This is a very safe approach and it will give you and your husband a peace of mind.
I have ordered Chinese formula Ban xia xie xin tang. In the Jiangxi Journal of Traditional Chinese Medicine it was mentioned as a treatment for chronic colitis. Result in 1-4 months. I have more faith in the Chinese medicine that any pharmaceuticals.

As for the clay, I would only order Living clay (pre-hydrated liquid form). Take it yourself 1 teaspoon (2 times per day) in 1/2 glass of water and drink some water afterword. Take it for 3 days and see how you feel and what it did for you. If you have any digestive problems, you might see the result in 2-3 days. If you have constipation, you might want to take it with Metamucil.
http://www.livingclayco.com/images/Liquid_Clay.jpg
Posted 10/3/2013 4:13 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Lookforcure,

Thank you for your help. I ordered the CCherbal and the clay today. I don't know if I will take the clay, but hubby is warming up to the idea... I think that just having these in the house is going to help in getting him to try them. Should he start both on the same day or stagger them?

I read the article you posted earlier on the Chinese meds... Looks very interesting.. I also have lots of faith in ancient meds. Please keep us posted on how you feel when you start taking the news one.

Thanks so much.
Posted 10/3/2013 11:00 AM (GMT 0)
Hi lookforcure,

You said - 'As for the clay, I would only order Living clay (pre-hydrated liquid form)' . Is it because UC-Wife's husband has pancolitis?
Posted 10/3/2013 1:49 PM (GMT 0)
UC-Wife,
I would start one product, whichever your husband feels more comfortable and willing to try. It is important his full cooperation. If he is more comfortable with CCHerbal, let him try it first. Give it a good 3 weeks before making any conclusion. Start slowly, like I have said before. If he has a severe pancolitis (6+ trips per day with a lot of blood, pain and cramps), it will take some time to get it under control, especially if he will start with only 1 capsule per day and build it up.
I really believe it is important to at least remove sugar, yeast, dairy, fried foods, soda, coffee, majority spices, all raw fruits and raw veggies out of the diet, no fruit juices and no citrus, tomatoes or vinegar.
Focus on chicken based soups, stews, risotto rice with very well cooked veggies with a little finely chopped garlic (like carrots, zucchini, baby bock choy, spinach, turnip greens).
Freshly squeezed carrot-celery with 1-2 apples is very good. Green juices are very helpful too, like wheatgrass...Let him eat as many avocadoes as he wants, he can use it instead of sour cream on the baked/boiled potatoes....

What Living clay will do is stop the diarrhea, help with cramps/pain and decrease the trips to the bathroom. The dose (1teaspoon of pre-hydrated clay/ 2 times per day) is a very low dose, just to start with. Usually people take 2oz/ 2-3 times per day, mixed in 1 glass of water and drink a lot of water/herbal teas like chamomile, peppermint....herbal teas.
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