My update on using clay for UC -PART II

Ok, he seems more open to CCherbal than the clay, so I'll see if he will start with that once it arrives.

For years now, he typically has between 10-15 bathroom trips a day, with no visable blood, but with loose stool and lots of urgency. He's tried strict diets and has given up on them but I do agree that it plays a huge role, and I know he realizes that too. Since he's been dealing with this for so long I think he feels he might as well eat what he likes. I will try to see if he be willing to try it again even for a few weeks, just to see.

Thanks so much for your help. It's so nice to know that there are people who care and share their experiences and knowledge to help others. I really appreciate it.

Hello lookforcure. I have enjoyed reading your posts particularly as it relates to clay. In fact I'm going to try some pascalite. The one thing that I am curious about is why you dropped terramin from your arsenal especially since you were so high on it early on. That is the only clay that I have used. Also please know that fortunately I do not have uc as far as I know. My trouble is with yeast and believe me it is trouble.

Lookforthecure, I think you should attack the fungus/bacteria too and you might get better results. I'm currently debating between zeolite and activated charcoal.. So I do think you are on to something with this.

Oh my God. Spoonclay, you are correct.
http://www.food.gov.uk/news-updates/news/2013/mar/pascalite-powder#.UlKTiFCviOU

I thought clay is the hope for me, sounds like I may have to stop? I don't know.

@lookforcure, what are your thoughts on the excessive lead?

Hello everybody,

like everybody here I am concerned about lead in Pascalite. I am waiting from the company to call me back. I have done some  reading on this subject. Here is original FDA site:

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/enforcement/enforce_rpt-Event-Detail.cfm?action=detail&id=64145&w=03272013&lang=eng

 Important factors:

1)it is "Voluntary: Firm Initiated" tests

2)only some lots/batches are  recalled

For Pascalite powder "Lot numbers imprinted or hand written include: 2010M; and D10 through 12 with a noted OT,U,V, or W. The code information is found on the bottom of the product."

I have A13 written on the bottom of the bottle. I had 6 bottles, now 2,5 bottles left, 16oz each.

I am still worried somewhat and definitely will investigate this issue for my own peace of mind.

I still think it is a very good clay and since I am one of very the few people (at least on this forum), who used 5 different clays and can compare them, how effective each of them are and how they work for colitis specifically.

Terramin clay is a very good clay also but specifically for colitis, at least for me, I think Pascalite is more effective. Living clay is even stronger, especially for a severe diarrhea. Another good clay is French Green Illite clay.  One thing everybody need to understand, we are all different and have some other factors and health issues accompanying our colitis. It could be infections, yeast/fungus overgrowth, low immune system caused by other diseases or steroids/immunosuppressant drugs, mineral/vitamin deficiency.... All of these will effect the result of using clay and which clay will work better. Just as different drugs work better for different people, different diets are better for some and not others, different herbal supplements effect differently everybody, just as clays will give different results....

As for the clay or activated charcoal for yeast/fungus.

Yes, it will work very well.  I have used both. I would not use Zeolite though, it is the most processed, heated clay from all and the least effective. At least according to what I have read about it.

Please, do more research on this subject.

http://www.californiaearthminerals.com/science/clay-minerals-research.php?11

http://www.vitalityherbsandclay.com/clay-and-minerals-for-health/clay-comparisons.html

The best activated charcoal is from coconut shell for removing toxins/fungus. At one point I mixed 1 teaspoon of Pascalite with 1 teaspoon of activated charcoal powder with 16oz of water, let it settle and drank this clay-charcoal water during the day. It made me feel better, since I was in a bad flair at that time.

As soon as I hear from Pascalite company I will post the result  of my conversation.

Update on Pascalite.
I have talked to the lady in Pascalite company and asked her about the lead in the clay and FDA. She said that FDA did a test on the small sample of Pascalite clay in March 2013 and said that there is lead in it that acceded the allowed levels but never provided the actual number of how much lead is in it. The Pascalite company recalled voluntarily the batch of the clay powder and clay products that was claimed to have higher lead in it. The lady said that Pascalite clay is a small company and could not fight FDA and do the testing of every single batch of clay, so they decided to change their marketing of the clay and suggest it only for external use. BUT. She also have said that in 50+ years of this company existence nobody ever got poisoned or sick from Pascalite clay or from lead in it and only have positive results.
Even according to the FDA site some Pascalite clay products (mentioning only some lot #) " MAY contain violative levels of lead." without saying actual number of the lead in it and what is allowed level is.
EPA's action level for lead in water delivered to users of public drinking water systems is 15 µg/L.
Also, the way clay works in the body, it does not release the minerals into the body but actually absorbs the toxins, viruses, parasites, fungus and heavy metals like lead, antimony, arsenic, bi****h, cadmium, cerium, chromium, cobalt, copper, gallium, gold, iron, manganese, mercury, nickel, platinum, silver, tellurium, thallium, tin, uranium, vanadium, and zinc.
Read this:
http://www.naturalnews.com/025854_clay_body_detox.html

I have my own opinion about FDA, since this guys blocked the sell of probiotic Mutaflor in the USA (the best one for colitis and IBS) for no reason. After my a little investigation and my personal usage of Pascalite clay for more than 1 year, it looks like a "witch hunt" to me than a legitimate problem with Pascalite clay. Pascalite company is a very small, family run company, they just can not fight a big FDA. I have read the testiomonials that Pascalite company sent to me with my first order, I was very much impressed. A few pages of internal use of Pascalite clay, many for IBS, a few colitis and Crohn's, a lot of food poisonings and dysentery form the trips abroad to Mexico, India..... If it is so bad clay, that is packed with lead, how in the world it can be so healing at the same time?!
You can make you own decision whether or not use this clay internally, I will continue to use it internally. Use you own judgment.

Sarav84,

remember that Pascalite clay is located at elevation of 9,000 feet above sea level in the underground shaft away from any civilization, so it is a very clean clay. I have visited Wyoming a few years ago. It is a very big state with very few people. This state has one of the cleanest air and water in the country according to the EPA. Whatever Pascalite clay has in it, is natural and not a result of the pollution and it was used by many people during a very long time.

Here is very important information about Pascalite clay:

http://geminihealthemporium.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/PascaliteClayInfo2.txt

Check these sites also:

http://www.wolfgang.ca/pascalite/whyitworks.html

http://www.eytonsearth.org/pascalite-calcium-bentonite.php

For those who are too worried about taking Pascalite clay internally, you need to know that this clay is very effective for skin problems, any insect bites like bees and yellow jackets ( I personllay used Pascalite for it. Just put some "clay paste" on the bite site and put a bandaid over it, (pain is gone in a few minutes and 30-40min later no sign of the sting), for burns and cuts, clay will heal without a scar (just make some paste of the clay with water and re-apply a few times per day), face masks ( will lighten the dark spots)....

And for internal use you can choose between Terramin, Living clay or French Green Illite clay (marine clay), if you do not want Pascalite.

Redmond clay I am not quite sure if I like it for UC or not. Still have some left and maybe I will retry it later.

Like I have said before I have used Pascalite, Terramin, Living clay, French Green Illite, Redmond and 1 more off brand from local health food store (it looked and acted similar to Teramin clay).

I still think for me, for my body and my ulcerative colitis, Pascalite was the most gentle (no extreme from diarrhea  to constipation), most soothing and most healing for the colon.

French Green Illite clay would be right after Pascalite and for some things like a topical infection it is even better. My mother have said it is the best for very inflamed and painful gums. Also, French Green clay is extensively used in the  Horse industry for very severe injuries and infections for internal and topical applications. In Europe French Green clay is very well known for its healing properties.

Terramin clay is the best for people who have mineral deficiencies, bone/joint problems and arthritis. I would take this clay even if I did not have any health issues, just as the health supporting and disease preventive supplement.

I think I'm going in a flare direction?
Today morning, had a BM - not formed stools kind of pieces of mashed potato. After that I had a glass of Pascalite clay water.
Visited my GI as a planned appointment. I explained him, he said its normal IBS.
I returned home and had an avocado. Immediately started the cramps, abdominal pain, right sided pain(around cecum) and then entire colon as well.
I sensed a lot of movement in the colon. I felt like I need to open my bowel. I went to the toilet, I had a little BM some 5 to 6 stools unformed - ribbon like, one stool was bit formed.

I suspected a little blood, so using the toilet paper I kind of broke the stools(I know this is nasty but...) and I noticed mucus and tiny blood spots on the mucus. But the mucus was inside the stool i.e the mucus was not on the stool, the stool covered the mucus.

Could this be due to the clay? I read the Pascalite why it works URL (http://www.wolfgang.ca/pascalite/whyitworks.html)

A remarkable book, "COMPILED NOTES ON CLINICAL NUTRITIONAL PRODUCTS," by Dr. Walter H. Schmitt, Jr.. states: "PASCALITE - A sea-bed product very high in mineral content, but also very valuable as a tool in cleaning out the intestinal tract. (It) is an incredible substance which is small enough to act as a scrubbing agent in the intestinal intervillous spaces. These areas often get plugged up with mucus, thereby decreasing the absorptive surface of the small intestine and leading to mal-absorption of varying degree.

The substances thus mobilized often show up in the stool. Long strings of mucus (which the patient sometimes thinks are tapeworms) occasionally with a little blood, are very common. The patient must be warned that this is a good sign the G.I. tract is cleaning out. Cautioned ahead of time, it will prevent them from becoming needlessly upset .... "

I have been using the Pascalite clay for 20 days and this is the first time I have this symptom - severe abdominal pain and cramps all over the colon.
I hope I'm not flaring.


Or may be this is due to the overdosage of the pascalite? I'm taking little more or one tsp of Pascalite.
I will reduce the dosage and see.

Yesterday I had Millet bread with Peanut butter for breakfast, Rice with Carrot curry for lunch. I prepared the carrot curry with one whole tomato. May be due to that the flare started? or
its Pascalite cleaning??? If its not Pascalite, then obviously I'm flaring which means clay is not helping me :-(

I'm also stopping Peanut butter, millet bread, tomatoes. Today I ate Avocado and banana. Now going to have rice with sweet potato curry. Hope the abdominal pain and cramps don't return and I don't return to flare.

Hi lookforcure,

I was referring, one tsp per time - one in the morning and one in the night before bed.
I'm just adding turmeric powder, salt and a pinch of asafoetida powder(to remove gas) to the curry which I'm preparing.
I also add tomato to the curry, so that the tomato will be cooked.

Yes it was my mistake to take millet bread which I have never tasted, and peanut butter as well.
I think these two were new for this week. I thought peanut as a whole is hard at my gut, so I thought of trying peanut butter. I have decided to drop this as well.

I don't know about carrot, its not the biological one.

I think the inflammation in the sigmoid is still there. I don't know about the rectum because its sigmoid area which is causing hell lot of pain. when I press that sigmoid area with my thumb, I hear krrrrkkk sound which could either be gas or liquid stool.
And the area of cecum as well.

I drink only plain water. That too I boil the tap water and let it cool and then I drink.
I don't drink anything else.

Are you saying I shouldn't eat avocado as well?

Hi lookforcure,

It has been 6 months since I stopped beans. I'm going to stop Dairy as well.
Oh yes, I forgot to mention - I ate red grapes(seeded) day before yesterday and two days before. Because I read somewhere red grapes is anti-inflammatory. But seems like inflammatory on me.

Today I'm going to keep sipping the clay milk all day and will just eat avocados. Let me see how I feel.

I couldn't sleep yesterday whole night due to the roaring sigmoid.
Today morning again I noticed tiny blood clots absolutely wasn't visible until I broke the stool like I did yesterday. I noticed mucus with tiny blood spots.

Thank you for keep replying, I feel I have someone to talk to. Thanks again lookforcure.
How are you feeling now? Stopped bleeding?

Sarav, the diet you are describing is pretty high in carbs and would feed any dysbiosis in the gut. When flaring I would have never successfully tolerated bread, banana, rice and grapes within a couple day period.

I have 1-3 BMs per day , no urgency. Boiled/baked pumpkin, rice (you can try brown rice, oats, barley too for more fiber, if your stool is not well formed), avocadoes and any peeled, cooked veggies, baked/boiled white or sweet potatoes- very good plan to me.
I, like you, could not follow SDC or low carb diet. I was too skinny, very weak, dizzy and was loosing weight too much without any carbs. I think removing sugar, yeast, breads and very low fruits, combined with a lot of cooked veggies and the whole graines could do a lot of good. For me eating meat and fish did not help and I could not digest animal protein well during my flare. Everybody is different. When I was diagnosed with UC 7+ years ago, for about 1 year I was trying to "kill" bacteria/virus/fungus/yeast, whatever it is I thought caused my colitis. I was taking many natural antibiotics, antifunglas I could think of, like oil of oregano in oil and capsule form, grapefruit seed extract, colloidal silver, uva-ursi, olive leaf extract, clove oil, goldenseal extract, garlic, caprilic acid, ate raw coconut oil.....took a lot of different probiotics to replenish the good bacteria (lactic base, soil based, prebiotics, colostrum (from cow and goat).....

I did not have any dramatic results. Mutaflor helped more than any probiotics out there, put me in remission while I took it, but it did not cure me. None of the natural antibiotics-antifungals gave me remission of my UC. Watching what I eat helps a lot, especially during a flare: no breads, sugar, nuts, dairy, beans, spices, no acidic foods like tomatoes or citruses, no vinegar (or anything with it), no raw fruits/veggies/greens, no greasy/fried foods, no eating anything out, only home cooked meals (this is one of the most important one). After trying different diets anything from SCD to no gluten, to strict 100% vegan for 2 years, I came with this simple to follow eating plan, it is not a diet just a restriction untill the inflammation comes down and then slowly re-introduce one food at the time. I do eat some chicken, boiled eggs and a little fish now.
My diet: a lot of veggies (raw and cooked but all are peeled) with some rice,pasta, potatoes, buckwheat, some oats. Animal protein I eat 2-4 times per week in small portions.

I got tested for gluten intolerance (negative), I do not have any problems with pasta (I buy organic, non bleached) but have a problem with bread (during a flare) because of yeast and sugar in it. I bake my own French bread without sugar and I do not have any problems. Real French bread should not have any sugar or corn syrup in it. I really believe majority people do not have a problem with gluten but with yeast+sugar combo in the breads because it causes fermentation in the gut. During severe flare I do not recommend eating any bread though.
Also, no coffee, black tea, any fruit juices or soft drinks. Some weak green tea with jasmin is OK, at least for me. A lots of herbal teas like peppermint, camomile, ginger....are very good for the GI tract.

Right now after trying many many different things, I think there are a few things are worth trying, based on my personal opinion:
Mutaflor (probiotic), activated charcoal (helps with diarrhea/gas/cramps/yeast), clay (Pascalite, Terramin, Living, French Green Illite clay) (calms the GI tract, pulls the infection/bactea/yeast out, alkalizes the GI system and helps to heal ulcers), Chinese herbal formulas (I took CCHerbal-stopped because of constipation, now I take Pinellia Combination 628 by SunTen (Ban Xia Xie XinTang-this formula was tested in China to heal ulcers in UC patients)-very happy with this one, relieves pain, heavyness in the GI system, no headaches, no cramps, no constipation.....
Also, taking valerian root extract with passion flower extract before bed, will help to sleep much better and relieve the stress and relax the GI system, antispasmotic.