cautiously optimistic about Wild Oregano Oil (85% Carvacrol)

Giving this a go also. Ever since my insurance screwed me on my remicade and made me miss several infusions I have been bleeding.

Yes, Mark. I have a drop or 2 when I have bloating and dental gum issues but I have not dosed more than 5 drops a day in over a month. At that point, I quit taking it to see if Blood would come back. I have not had blood since Aug 20. I am only a quarter of the way through the 1 oz bottle of WOO I started with in Aug. If this continues to work, it will clearly be the cheapest treatment I have ever seen for this disease (less than $20).

Best...

Thanks proto.. wouldn't it just be amazing if $20 and a bit of time and patience is all it takes....

I'm hesitant to try it - chicken I guess but for a different reason at the moment. I do however want to take a moment to bring something up - since there's a lot of smart folks on here and a lot of interest in this thread and your progress. More to counterbalance and caution some.. and really just to bring some thought in people's minds before they go downing this stuff hardcore.

First a story of someone I know quite well now that took WOO:

I have a good friend now (He's only 22 years old) - who ingested a Ton of WOO for a cold - strep throat or something, I forget exactly, not important. Anyway, his "MOM" told him to go to the health store and try it as he was away for college. So he did, but decided if a little is good, more would be better. He took about 10X the recommended dose if not more. about a week or two later he was in the hospital and now has an official diagnosis via colonoscopy of Crohn's... So his adventure with his "mom's" home remedy landed him with perhaps a life long condition... I wouldn't wish this to happen to anyone.

I can ask him to tell his story on the board for those that may be interested.

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These WOO and Oils are some seriously powerful $hit… On par with Vanco, penicillin etc. Intense. True antibiotics, not just natural safe remedies. Just want to say use caution. Sounds promising though as a treatment option.

My concern is about what if all of a sudden we starting going this route en mass instead of traditional antibiotics? Can bacteria and fungus build up resistance to it just like traditional antibiotics? And if so then what? – and furthermore if we do this to ourselves what are we doing to the helpful bacteria in us? - WOO seems to have quite the effect on gram positive bacteria. Collateral damage OM calls it. I can’t see why NOT following through with a full treatment with WOO etc would not be the same as not following through with a full course of traditional antibiotics prescribed by doctors…. Or taking varying daily amounts or low dose daily would be any different than doing the very same with traditional antibiotics that everyone says is so bad - and proven bad... for many reasons.

It’s tempting as heck to try based on the forum posts – but makes me nervous for those doing so as an “experiment”. Much like antibiotics work at first for most and get rid of bleeding and so on, as soon as they are stopped this sometimes all returns sometimes never returns. I can’t see why this would be any different with WOO. I guess it’s more a waiting game to see what happens when people stop it for a period of time.

Just based on this line of thinking, I wondered if bacteria can build up resistance to constant low dose exposure to WOO. There's not much out there I could find on this but I did get this one. This would seem to indicate some bacteria can perhaps build up resistance… www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22827568/

And this in turn has me concerned for those ummm.. playing with low dose and varying amounts and stopping and stating etc.

Again... I just want to tell people to think a little before diving in... make a decision based on the best information we can find. And don't overlook the potential downside.

I'm nervous some may do more damage than good...

So just please just think... hard... before jumping in.

You can combat resistance through inhibiting the efflux pump or attacking the biofilm. I do not worry about creating super bugs by using the herbs that have been used since ancient times. Drugs are alot less smart then herbs. They have been engineered by man. Herbs have been engineered by God. Just as the human body can have may different compensatory reactions to a stimuli. So can an herb. We are constantly finding out that by the way, that one thing they isolated in an herb that they say is the reason for its effectiveness (like carvalcol) isnt really the only reason.

I worry more about the order and skill in which we approach solving these problems.

1. Youll never cure any of this without diet. Take herb, hundreds of dollars in supplements, whatever. For awhile atleast you must have diet modification.
2. We have to pursue the healing process in the right order. Functional medicine has a concept called the 4rs which outlines this.
3. We have to use both herbs and drugs to help get to the end goal. We must use a high enough dose of them and we must use them long enough.

Then we must reseed with good guys that will welcome other good guys in, not create a place that is a haven for the bad guys.

Sorry to eat up your thread Proto!

I'll make a separate one tomorrow I need to get to bed. My eyes hurt from reading and I have a few more but wanted to get these out to where those interested would read them.

I am asking in behalf of my girlfriend, Dee Dee..

Have not read through this entire topic yet, but wanted to ask if anyone knows using Wild Oregano Oil will help for all types of coitis ?  She is just now in the process of finding out exactly which one she has..

She had a horrible episode a few days ago. Stayed in the hospital a few days until the cramping and pain subsided..

Follow up today, with a likely referal to an intestional type doctor..

She is always hungry and can not eat much of anything without it coming up, burning in her chest and throat..

I bought her some concentrated vegetable, and also fruit type juices.. Then she also manages to eat yogurt..

Any way... Will read through the rest of this topic, but would like to know if the "WOO" will help regardless of the type of colitis..  It is all related to inlamed intestional track, right ??

Protocolteck - just read through your posts great to hear you are doing so well without all the nasty medicines from the hospital.

I think i am going to try this, is it still working well for you?

What i have found to be a big help is i have recently up'd my dose of fish oils to 1.5g a day and L glutamine to 1g a day it seems to be helping alot and feel al most in full remission (touch wood)

Uh, just because we don't use herbs doesn't mean they haven't been used in MASS for hundreds/ thousands of years. There is a reason tcm and aryuvedic are here to turn to when the crap invented in the last hundred years fails.

Just because you feel more comfortable with the AMAs stamp of approval does not invalidate traditional medicine spanning human existence.

Post Edited (PathogenKiller) : 10/18/2013 10:05:15 AM (GMT-6)

Twigs, the issue is that you unseated something without reseeding anything else. Then the abx helped the yeast take over even more terrain. Did you change your diet? If you don't change your diet you'll never get lasting change. Plus you have to take enough of something for long enough... AND you MUST support your immune system. If you don't when you relax your diet or stop your efforts then it will all just happen again. This is where mitochondrial support, immune support, detox all must come in.

Ideally you are going to be taking over 250 billion bacteria daily to replace the ones you kill. After you stop treating any fungal/bacterial issues 500 billion is a good number. Custom probiotics is the cheapest way to take that much. However, if you are bleeding, super inflamed etc.. Probiotics can actually be counter effective and cause more issues and inflammation. I'd focus on enzymes over probiotics at this stage.

Pathogen said this...

"If you don't change your diet you'll never get lasting change. Plus you have to take enough of something for long enough... AND you MUST support your immune system. If you don't when you relax your diet or stop your efforts then it will all just happen again. This is where mitochondrial support, immune support, detox all must come in."

I could not agree more. For me, the WOO was a critical piece of the puzzle, however I made significant diet changes. I put the "right" things in my body for a long period of time and am involved with a very comprehensive workout program, as well.

Best...

Its all on a continuum.. like protocoltek is a healthy person in general.. he works out, eats well and did alot of the legwork on this already. the woo is prob just the last push he needs to get the crap kicked out once and for all.

others might be sicker, have additional immune issues, not exercise, eat a diet of things that feed pathogens and inflammation...

Enzymes attack the biofilms plus they process the wastes that are produced from killing the fungi. They also help digest your food into the things your body can use instead f the pathogens getting it for their food.

To me, blood = beyond just inflammation and you have to seal the gut before you flood it with probiotics or you risk letting things outta your gut that need to be kept in.. Plus, the fall out from probiotics duking it out with whatever bad stuff is out of balance is hard r your body to detox and taxes your immune system. Don't get me wrong, I believe strongly in probiotics but I do see a lot of wisdom in functional medicine's 4 rs

Hi PathogenKiller, that is some sound advice.

Are there such things as good biofilms created by good bacteria?