OT-Cancer 'tidal wave' coming-WHO

Ambling,

Once again, you utterly fail at reading comprehension. This seems to be a continuous trend in all of your posts. Go through the sources on the bottom. The data is verified by the FDA here.

I know Lisa Bloomquist and she runs a FQ recovery site where she helps many victims cope with the damages of these drugs here. All of her stories are verified and she can send you the emails and addresses if the patients if you so desire. Just let me know because I went through the same loops she did. I can give you the phone numbers and you can call the patients up yourself.

I double dare you to do this so you can get a taste of reality for once.

Your posts not only show a complete lack of empathy, but you dishonor those that die everyday from prescription drugs. Shame on you and ditto for Gary.

Recreational drug deaths are but a fraction of the prescription drug deaths in comparison:

1) 11 percent of Americans ages 12 and older now use prescribed antidepressant/psychoticdrugs. (CDC November 2011 report)

2) At least 106,000 people die each year from drugs which are properly prescribed and properly administered. More than two million suffer serious side effects. (Lazarou J, Pomeranz BH, Corey PN: “Incidence of adverse drug reactions in hospitalized patients.” JAMA 1998;279:1200.

3) Illegal drugs, including cocaine and heroin, are responsible for an estimated 10,000-20,000 American deaths per year. (Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. CDC. 2007;56(05):93-96.)

The journal articles and sources are provided so you can go through them instead of relying on your beliefs. Verify them if you want to.

Because I don't want my IQ dropping a few more points, I'm going to refrain from posting any further remarks in this thread.

Pb4 and Ambling, I agree with you.

This is just another one of those cases where anyone with an opinion, no matter what it is, can find stats to back up their side. Evidence of cancer tumors has been found dating back eons and eons. I think most people agree that in many cases, diabetes is linked to weight issues and humans obviously weigh more now than when we were hunter-gatherers (ok, ok, caveman couldn't go through a McDonald's drive thru). There are also billions and billions of people in the world now compared to just thousands back in the stone age. Obviously due to sheer numbers alone we are going to have more health issues. On top of that every generation has more genetic mutations so that 10,000 years from now humans will be frought with untold millions of mutations. I'm certainly not denying that humans have more and more health issues (such as cancer and diabetes) but I sure wish if Stealth and others want to make valid points that people will actually listen to then they have got to quit posting dubious links from dubious people, dubious organizations, and dubious websites, none of which are mainstream. I particularly hate it when they quote "facts" from Doctor Lillian Branhammer, Dr. Thomas Higgenbothem, or Dr. James openheimer as if they were well known and recognized mainstream authorities on the subject. And yes, I did make those names up. To me, trying to make the argument that we shouldn't ever take any medicines or get any vaccinations is stupid. There have been a lot of people dying from the Swine Flu this year and studies have shown that the vast majority of those who died did not get a flu shot. I know, I know - the doctors, Big Pharma, and the FDA are all in cahoots to make us believe that.

Hi All! StealthGuardian, thank you for pointing people to Floxie Hope! People clicked on your links and I found that some chatting about my work is going on in this forum. I wanted to add a few things. Yes, as was noted, Kerstin's story is fictionalized to be illustrative, but NONE of the stories on Floxie Hope are fictionalized. They are all true stories. They are the stories of hope and healing. If you want to read horror stories about fluoroquinolone toxicity, please check out The Fluoroquinolone Wall of Pain on Facebook or look through the comments at the bottom of this NYT piece - http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/10/popular-antibiotics-may-carry-serious-side-effects/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1 Or, here is a real horror story, written by a friend, that I thought was too unbelievable to put in the post, but it is very real -

In Sept 2004 (age 34), I was diagnosed with a herniated disc in my L4-L5 vertebrae. Instead of thoroughly researching treatment options, I made the stupid mistake of listening to one of those quick-fix god complex doctors. He said a "discectomy" would be a quick and easy solution to the problem. The discectomy first required a "discogram," in which they inject a dye into my spine to capture images of the specific location of the herniation. That seemed easy enough...

Two days after the dye injection, I started to experience sever pain in my back, followed by spasms. It grew worse until I lost the use of my legs, Terrible pain. I went to the ER where the pretty much ridiculed me as not being "tough enough." Finally after screaming overnight in pain, I was given an MRI where a staph infection was found between my T12-L1 vertebrae - the injection site of the discogram!

The doctor explained to me in private - in a whispered voice - that he was not responsible, and that I must be an IV drug user. As I lied there in shock, he accused me of being a drug user or not telling him that I had pneumonia. What??? I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I was pumped-up on meds and didn't have the strength or focus to tell him what an ****** he was.

After another surgery, I was sent home - with SIX WEEKS of something called "Levaquin," along with Vancomycin and other goodies - including steroids. I had PIC lines inserted into both of my arms and lived in a fog for quite some time. I was lucky enough to have my girlfriend tend to me this entire time, but it was a miserable existence.

Within days of the first dosage, I began to experience odd pains. Joints and tendons throbbed. I began experiencing hallucinations and night terrors, and finally awful depression and depersonalization - things I wasn't familiar with at all until I started doing research. I thank my lucky stars that the internet existed, because what I found was incredible revealing and horrifying.

Every symptom I was going thru was on a long list of symptoms from floxing. Everything. Of course, I freaked-out, and of course, the doctors told me I was crazy. Every one of them.
I finally said 'enough,' but it was too late. I had taken weeks worth of huge bags of liquid Levaquin, and the damage was done. I walked like a 90-year-old man, had bouts of mad weeping for no reason, I couldn't taste food - or even stomach much. My life as I knew it was ruined.

I kept researching and doing little things that would hopefully make it better, but it was slow going. I went to physical rehab for my back, but the pain in other areas was too great. Of particular note was hip pain. Awful hip and groin pain. Once again, the experts blamed it on not enough effort put into my back rehab. Incredible frustrating to hear that, because it was simply not true.

I did even MORE research on the new pains and symptoms, and diagnosed myself with Avascular Necrosis (AVN, or Bo Jackson's Disease). Two doctors told me "no," and finally the third looked into it. MRIs and CT scans later, he confirmed what I feared most: both of my femurs had collapsed.
I spent the next six months on crutches, and finally had both of hips replaced with cobalt chromium versions. By this time I was 36, and had bilateral hip replacement. Doctors to this day say that Levaquin had nothing to do with it, but I know otherwise.

The last seven years has been a gradual return to "normal," but I'll never be there. I still have flare-ups of joint pain and a sunburn- like reaction to random foods. I sought help for PTSD, and a therapist helped me identify my rage at doctors, whom I will never forgive.


Lisa's note - the person who wrote this later told me that one of the doctors involved in this mess SUED HIM. Nice cherry on top, huh?

Anyhow, I went for Kerstin's story because it seemed believable. If you don't believe that far worse things than what "happened to Kerstin" happen every day, well, I envy you. I used to believe that doctors individually and the system as a whole were upholding their Hippocratic Oath. I believed that before my body and mind were shattered by an unnecessary chemo drug that is masquerading as an antibiotic, taken to treat a urinary tract infection.

Regards,
Lisa Bloomquist
www.floxiehope.com

Wow, I am so glad that I quit after taking just 1 Ciprofloxacin pill 14+ years ago because it put me on the bathroom floor all night. My body violently rejected it with vomiting and diarrhea, nightmare I thought would send me to the hospital it was that bad.

This was before I had any UC symptoms, it was Rx'ed for a potential infection (deep splinter in foot removed), i.e. there was no infection, my doctor Rx'd it "just in case". I wonder if this was what started my UC by killing off the good bacteria. There was no real reason for my doctor to Rx it except that his father just got out of the hospital due to a bad infection and my doc was in an "overreacting" mindset. A simple antibiotic would have been fine.

I know there are people here that have been helped by Cipro but count me out. I've never had an issue with any antibiotic before or since.

Here is an interesting article that puts antibiotics into a couple of useful categories - bactericidal antibiotics and bacteriostatic antibiotics. Bactericidal antibiotics lead to mitochondrial damage and oxidative stress (which leads to all sorts of chronic diseases - all of you who were commenting earlier about causes of chronic diseases, you might want to consider a paradigm shift and look at pharmaceuticals that cause mito damage/oxidative stress), but bacteriostatic antibiotics don't. They're not all equal. Here's the article -

http://www.bu.edu/abl/files/stm_kalghatgi.pdf

Fluoroquinolones are chemo drugs that are masquerading as antibiotics. The only thing that they have in common with tetracyclines is that they both kill bacteria. Fluoroquinolones work like this:

The fluoroquinolone depletes liver enzymes that metabolize drugs (CYP450) (2). When the enzymes are depleted sufficiently, the fluoroquinolone forms a poisonous adduct to mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) (3, 4), which destroys and depletes mtDNA (5). While the mtDNA is being destroyed, the fluoroquinolone is also binding to cellular magnesium. (6, 7) The mitochondria reacts to being assaulted by producing reactive oxygen species (ROS) (8, 9). Some of the ROS, specifically hydrogen peroxide, combines with the excess calcium (there is a balance in cells of magnesium and calcium and the binding of the magnesium results in an excess of calcium) to induce the expression of CD95L/Fas Ligand (5) which then causes cell death (apoptosis) and immune system dysfunction (10) which leads the body to attack itself – like an autoimmune disease.

Damage is caused by every single step in the process. Additional damage may be done by the fluorine atom that is added to fluoroquinolones to make them more potent. It should be noted that the complexity of these cellular interactions is too vast to write up in this article.

The sources can be found in this - http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/01/06/gulf-war-illness-tied-to-cipro-antibiotics/

ALL antibiotics have side-effects. Killing all of the bacteria in your gut is a bad idea. However, most of the adverse effects of most antibiotics (maybe even the bactericidal antibiotics that are not FQs, I'm not sure) are transient - they stop quickly after administration of the drug has stopped. Fluoroquinolones lead to a syndrome of pain and suffering, that can last for years or even permanently, due to all of the destruction listed above.

ambling said...
Babeinthewoods, that list is of the top 50 countries by rate of cancer. There are nearly 200 countries in the world, so Japan is actually still on the 'high' list.

Plus on top of that Japan also has higher cancer rates than every other Asian country apart from South Korea - no other Asian country even makes it into the top 50 besides those two.

ambling said...
Modern medicine is often taken for granted, or even ignored.

Precisely. Some people just can't see the wood for the trees. They fixate on all the imperfect parts (which nobody would deny was there), while apparently not seeing any of the good parts.

Post Edited (NiceCupOfTea) : 2/5/2014 2:25:51 PM (GMT-7)

@Levi - Don't worry, I wasn't thinking of your post... >_>

It's a bit late now, but just wanted to pick up on one or two points by AZYooper...

AZYooper said...
If you reached age 21 in medieval Britian you could expect to reach age 64.

And nowdays in the UK you can expect to reach 81. I'm sure most people would take that extra 17 years of life.

I'm not sure how you're saying anything different to what ambling said. Even the Bible said we would live to 3 score and 10 (70 years), so it's been known for a long time that humans can live to 70 or so.

With reference to the cancer debate: people bandy statistics about like they actually understand them, but I don't believe anyone really has any idea how much "lifestyle" contributes towards getting cancer (with certain exceptions, like smoking and lung cancer). For decades it was thought that saturated fat lead to heart disease and cancer; now there are many folks on this forum who will solemnly declare that saturated fats do no such thing and are good for you. I take all "lifestyle" advice with a heavy pinch of salt, including the advice to eat less salt.

And finally: Everybody has to die of something one day. If it isn't cancer, then it will be something else. If the cancer rates go down, the rates of something else (heart attacks or whatever) will go up. It's not physically possible to reduce the death rates of everything across the board.

*gets off hobby horse* ;p

BabeintheWoods said...
That extra 17 years is more from public sanitation than medical technology, unless as medical breakthroughs you also want to include doctors washing their hands before operating on their patients, or refraining from bleeding their patients dry to get rid of bad blood, improved childbirth survival, etc.

In medieval times the streets were open sewers and garbage dumps, rats were running rampant, and people routinely drank contaminated water.

Well, yeah. I know all that. I never said what the extra 17 years were down to; I just said I'm sure most people would rather have them.

BabeintheWoods said...
I wonder if there is a study that compares our modern rates of cancer, heart disease, and diabetes with earlier times. All other things being equal I bet it is now higher.

Sorry to repeat a part of my previous post, but I feel like this answers that:

And finally: Everybody has to die of something one day. If it isn't cancer, then it will be something else. If the cancer rates go down, the rates of something else (heart attacks or whatever) will go up. It's not physically possible to reduce the death rates of everything across the board.

It doesn't really matter whether rates of cancer, heart disease, etc. were lower in the past. The mortality rate for the human race is 100%, no matter which era you look at.

Not sure what the above is discussing cause it's a lot to read but, I had my text book open on this page anyway (Brock -Biology of Microorganisms) and it actually had this which was a funny coincidence:

1900 (Leading Causes of Death)
1- Influenza and pneumonia
2- Tuberculosis
3- Gastroenteritis
4- Heart Disease
5- Stroke
6- Kidney Disease
7- Accidents
8- Cancer

Today (Leading Causes of Death)
1- Heart Disease
2- Cancer
3- Stroke
4- Pulmonary Diseases
5- Accidents
6- Diabetes
7- Alzheimer's
8- Influenza and pneumonia

Under the chart is a note that reads: Infectious diseases were the leading cause of death in the 1900 whereas today they account for relatively few deaths. Data is from the US CDC and data is typical for recent years.

INTERESTINGLY - Within the antibiotic chapters there is another chart that shows a similar thing but focusing on infectious disease. What it says is that although the rates of infectious disease has dropped substantially it's interesting to note that since 1990 the severity of these diseases has increased.