OT: Why American Apples Just Got Banned in Europe

Has to do with high DPA (carcinogen) residues on our apples here

What does that have to do with the US-grown apples now gleaming, spot-free, on supermarket shelves? According to EWG, in 2010, when the US Department of Agriculture last looked for DPA residues on US-grown apples, it found them on 80 percent of samples. Average reading: 0.42 ppm, or about four times the new European limit. In other words, the apple on your countertop would likely be deemed unsafe by European authorities.

Not sure about the role that DPA plays in IBD development (old mike?), but worth mentioning since we have to be extra careful about what we eat.

I could go on another endless rant on the vanity of the FDA in protecting consumer health, but aaron (most upvoted comment) in the comments section was kind enough to do that.

Best.

Apples are one of the things I absolutely will not eat if they arent organic along with potatoes and corn. The dirty dozen from EWG changes a little, but I mostly stick to it. Pesticides are not good for the gut biome. Always peel conventionally grown apples.

"One of these days the crap is going to hit the fan that organic foods aren't as organic as people believe them to be."


oh, I think the fan has already been hit -

Old Mike said...
Not much out there,really high dose might cause some form of colitis in dogs.

Search the doc for colitis.

Old Mike

http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/risk/toxsums/pdfs/228.pdf

Thanks for sharing.

Because if it's a farm that's run for generations and food is grown the way ancestral societies were doing it (without pesticides and carcinogens), and if their food is helping my body heal, then I know for a fact that it's nutritious and quality food. There's no other way to put it. Run your own experiment and see how it goes. From my own N=1 trial (and from other users like dmacell), it helps.

I think it's kind of funny, if not ridiculous that we're putting old school farmers like Joel Salatin who know how to grow healthy crops on the same boat as corporations that show no regard for human life.

And yes, I would be at the farm 24/7 if they allowed it. And yes, they do evaluate the soil content and chemical loads to provide the best food for us. They locate their farms so what you said about contamination never happens. These guys work their butts off to bring the best foods fur us and they sure as hell aren't making any money doing it. There's nothing in it for them.

Not worth my time anymore.

This is where I bid you and this thread farewell.

Hey, I never said Big Pharma care's about us. But, they're not guilty of absolutely everything either. They're certainly guilty of some things for sure. And, my grandmother never had a garden that I know of, although she was a farmer in her productive years. I'm just trying to make a point that just because something or someone says something is "organic", we really don't know for sure. I'm not against people choosing to eat organic instead of eating stuff laced with pesticides, etc. but some people are being hoodwinked and don't even know it. I'm not accusing Stealth's farmer of any of this, just pointing out that we really don't know for sure. As far as I know this particular farmer may have the most organic foods in the world.

I can taste differences between different types of apples and potatoes, although I've never been able to taste a difference between the organic and non-organic versions of the same type.

I can taste a difference between freshly-harvested (like from my garden) vs some fruits/ vegs from the grocery store shelf, but this is true for me whether it is organically grown or not. And fruits/vegs from the store always taste better when first bought vs after being in the fridge for a couple of days.

Some of the sellers at the farmer's market where I go in the summer lease multiple small-ish parcels for growing their veggies every summer. I know where a couple of these plots are located, and one happens to be right next to a big electrical transmission tower, and bordered on 2 sides by houses and 2 sides by roads. There is no on-site water but it does get a runoff from the adjacent (busy) roads when it rains. When it's not rainy, I see them bring in nasty-looking 55 gallon drums (I assume full of water, but who knows its origin - well? lake? tap?) to water the plants. I will say that their produce looks absolutely gorgeous when it is displayed at the farmer's market, but this is not what I had envisioned when imagining the bucolic growing environment of my farmers market-purchased veggies! To me it just emphasized that if you truly want to know how your food is grown, you basically have to grow it yourself.

organic fruits and vegetables usually taste better but they certainly don't look better most of the time. They aren't as shiny or as large. They get bugs on them too. That's just part of the trade off.

It's true that you can't always tell when a product is organic, but there are little clues that tell us. If bugs are eating it, it's usually not deadly to anything.

I say the proof is in the food. I know my local organic farms food is grown with less pesticide and better care. It doesnt look better, it actually looks worse. All my apples are different sizes, shapes and colors...but i am not sick anymore!
Its a simple test that i ran many times just to prove it to myself. If i eat the junk that is mass produced i will get sick in a day or two, ...its that quick! I have been vigilant for over a year now and as long as i eat the local organic stuff im normal. At a certain point i just decided that i didnt want to be sick and the cheap food wasnt werth it!
Again its just my body(and my families) so i cant speak for everyone.

" Do you take the farmer's word on it"

yes gary, sometimes you do !

you seem to enjoy McGaggals 2 to 3 times a week - you trust them ? you think they are concerned for your well being ?

you play the odds your way, I play them my way -

McGaggals? Does that mean McDonalds? Actually I don't enjoy McGaggals 2 to 3 times a week. In fact, I rarely eat "fast" food, hardly ever. I like real food too much. Obviously my definition of real food is a little different than yours but, I don't see any reason not to eat at these places on occasion. Obviously they don't care about my well being, they are in a business to make money. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but both regular and organic farmers really don't care about our well being either. They too are in business to make money. Just because one side caters to a specific healthy crowd doesn't automatically mean they care about our well being. The bottom line is they are trying to make money marketing to a particular niche, which is the very same thing that McDonalds does.

My point is that people in this one niche seem to be very prejudiced and one sided in their opinions. People and businesses catering to the organic crowd are given a free ride on assumptions such as taking an organic farmer's word on something whereas they would never take a corporate farmer's word. I'm willing to bet a hundred million dollars that if you investigated hard enough you would probably find that Monsanto has some fingerprints on some organic foods. I'm a reasonable person who believes that there are both good and bad corporate farmers and others connected with that distribution and I also believe that there are both good and bad organic farmers and others connected with that distribution. I think the organic crowd is naïve to blanketly believe that one side is all bad and the other side is nothing but good. Just because something has an organic label doesn't mean that someone hasn't played loose with their definition of organic and that no funny business has gone on anywhere.

It's also very prejudiced and one sided to believe that "Clearly, these conniving thief's of farmers who spend 12-14 hours a day laboring till their backs give out want to exploit us for all of our hard earned coin and make a quick buck" when farmers who are not "organic" do the very same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GEEEEEEEEEEEEZ. How narrow minded can you get?

"you seem to enjoy McGaggals 2 to 3 times a week "

I stand corrected - it was subway - mcgaggles only 2-3 times/month -