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Posted 4/27/2014 11:42 PM (GMT 0)
I do like eating yoga mats, but only the organic ones.
Posted 4/28/2014 1:19 AM (GMT 0)
"I do like eating yoga mats, but only the organic ones."

Reminds me of the most interesting man in the universe commercials. :-)
Posted 4/28/2014 2:59 PM (GMT 0)
Im really passionate about my food. It started with tracking down raw milk (which I now feel is a horrible idea- just for the record) and then turned into supporting Community Supported Agriculture. Im really involved in the slow food movement in my area and get to meet a lot of folks who are trying to create innovations in natural farming.

I love farmer's markets but I rarely shop at markets I dont know the farmers through. Some vendors sell shipped in produce. I live in a very rich agricultural area so that is just not necessary.

Anyway, it is hard to trust but over time if you are committed enough you can develop good relationships with quality produce and fruit providers. It's ridiculous it takes so much effort. It's ridiculous that my local whole paycheck carries not a single organic apple so I have to order from azure standard, out of state even though 60 minutes away there is a town known for it's apple production. Most people do not have the time or money to spend on sourcing their food. Which is a shame, because food is life and the crap we are putting on our food as well as the genetic modifcation we are doing to it is making us sicker.
Posted 4/28/2014 6:05 PM (GMT 0)
Its certainly not easy finding good organic food but well worth the effort when you do. I spend a bit more money for it as well, but i now save alot of extra money on medications that i no longer need.
Interesting article i found that inspires hope that people are finally catching on...
http://themindunleashed.org/2014/04/netherlands-say-glyphosate-monsantos-roundup-herbicide.html
Posted 4/29/2014 12:20 AM (GMT 0)
" It started with tracking down raw milk (which I now feel is a horrible idea- just for the record) "


i'll bite PK - care to share ?
Posted 4/29/2014 12:37 AM (GMT 0)
Soystud:

Chris Kresser did a good risk reduction analysis of raw milk in his series here. It basically assuaged all my fears of trying it.

Conclusion: Greater risk of getting infected with e. coli, salmonella, etc from produce like spinach, canteloupe, carrots and meats like shellfish, deli meat but they aren't going around banning produce in grocery stores. I'm a little more afraid of getting sick from a McDonalds burger to be honest.

I will admit the first time I drank it I thought something bad was going to happen, but that slowly passed over time. The only thing that has to be investigated is the source. I'm very fortunate to be around Amish folk who basically mitigate the risks of it to nothing because they've been doing it for centuries. A great deal of my healing took place after adding in raw sheep milk, which has three times more glutathione than the whey protein varieties.
Posted 4/29/2014 12:46 AM (GMT 0)
Frankly, if I was prepared to develop personal relationships with farmers, I'd take it one step further and grow all my own produce and rear my own chickens and cows.

Speaking of farmer markets, there are quite a few around where I live. It's also easy to buy organic produce even in mainstream supermarkets. My biggest gripe with organic food is that it's food for the well-off only: if only rich people (relatively speaking) can afford to buy the food, then it's not a practical system for feeding the majority. My mum used to buy organic meat whenever she could, but has essentially been priced out of it now, apart from occasional, lucky reductions.

I think it would be better to look into ways of producing better-quality yet affordable food for everyone, not just the few who can afford grass-fed beef hand-reared from birth with a milk bottle or whatever.

PS: The quality of most fruit today is really poor and organic fruit isn't entirely exempt. (Perhaps partly because the breeds have changed.) Fruit is too delicate to take happily to mass production and force-growing, and so both taste and texture suffer. It also doesn't have time to ripen properly. Since this thread is about apples, then most apples are not worth eating, imo. Jazz and Pink Lady are two of the better modern brands, but Golden Delicious is literally like eating claggy, wet cotton wool. Or at least used to be, unless it's dramatically changed for the better.

Post Edited (NiceCupOfTea) : 4/28/2014 6:50:49 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 4/30/2014 1:08 PM (GMT 0)
1) The young turks did a recent segment on the apples issue here. Pretty good summary of why they banned it. Europe requested studies showing no harm, but America failed to provide any. The EPA, just like the FDA, is another shady organization that can't be trusted. And yes, until recently I was eating conventional apples my whole life.

2) On the affordability of organic food - I guess I'm very fortunate because I haven't run into any of the pricing issues being mentioned here. The prices are competitive with conventional produce and items, and some are less the wholefoods. Wholefoods basically marks up prices 20-50% for produce that can be bought elsewhere, as rich people continue to buy it and remain unaware. For example, the same turbana plantains @ my local grocery outlet (Giant) generally sell for half as much.

I also know some homeless and disabled people who go to our local farmer's market since they accept food stamps. The market (and subsequently the farmer's running it) operates at a loss (now) just so more people have access to it and can afford it. The idea is that as more people become aware of it, they'll reach and surpass that break even point where it will be profitable down the road. Until then, all we can do is continue to support it's growth. I'm not sure if other places are using this model, but it's very honorable and altruistic.
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