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Posted 10/2/2014 7:16 PM (GMT 0)
Jumping in late without reading everything - has anyone tried GrapeFRUIT seed extract ?
Posted 10/22/2014 9:31 AM (GMT 0)
The investigation of antimicrobial activity of thyme and oregano essential oils
http://journals.tubitak.gov.tr/agriculture/issues/tar-11-35-2/tar-35-2-5-0906-162.pdf
Posted 10/22/2014 12:55 PM (GMT 0)
From the paper listed by xy123:
direct link journals.tubitak.gov.tr/agriculture/issues/tar-11-35-2/tar-35-2-5-0906-162.pdf

The results, presented in Tables 2 and 3, indicated that all oils possess remarkable antibacterial and antifungal activities against the different strains tested. The antimicrobial tests showed that essential oils of the 3 plant species had different antimicrobial activity against test microorganisms.

The paper says that oregano oil and thyme oil are antibacterial, antifungal and antimicrobial. Trifecta!

I have used internally (not currently daily but when needed) Orega Supreme gel caps which has both oregano and thyme oils (suggested by CanadaMark). And today applied some of that to a small biopsy skin wound that had an unnatural hard white coating on it that I've never seen before. Biofilm?
Posted 10/23/2014 2:21 AM (GMT 0)
@imagerdner - You might try something like this if you're looking for a fun healing experiment... haha.

I have a Complex Fistula that was very active prior to trying the WOO/Thyme. When I started taking it internally I though what the heck, and decided to make a paste for external use as well - I would drop a small (1/8 teaspoon) amount of Raw Honey (or creamed) on a plate, then make like an indent on the top and put 1-2 drops of WOO/Thyme and then a tiny dab of organic coconut oil. Then I'd stir it all up into a bit if a paste and apply it over the fistula and put a bandaid over it. I kid you not - it closed again in a matter of a few days - 5 to be exact I think.. This time I was smart enough to take actual pictures every day for 2 weeks which was very hard to do given the location! It's a complex fistula so there are three openings fairly close together. You can see them close and stop leaking over time. It's pretty cool. Worked like a charm. I doubt it closed on the inside, but externally it's fine and no longer bothers me so far. This was about a year ago now. I found some pretty cool flexible washable/re-adhearing bandaids that I could cut into a special shape.

Anyway - I was close to giving into surgery (fistula surgery) so I'm thankful to have delayed the need for this.

Anyway that was my goofy experiment, and it seems to work - or help substantially at least. The honey kinda hardens after a while and becomes it's own bandaid of sorts holding the woo/thyme in place and the coconut oil perhaps acts like a super moisturizer/antimicrobial. <- that's obviously a total guess. But it worked - so who the heck knows.

Post Edited (Canada Mark) : 10/22/2014 8:25:18 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/23/2014 3:56 AM (GMT 0)
CM- this is interesting:
Effect of thyme oil and thymol dietary supplementation on the antioxidant status and fatty acid composition of the ageing rat brain.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10703468
Beneficial effects of thyme oil on age-related changes in the phospholipid C20 and C22 polyunsaturated fatty acid composition of various rat tissues.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10216288
`These results show that dietary supplementation with thyme oil tended to maintain higher PUFA levels in all tissues studied.`

I started using thyme oil yesterday. Many websites say "thyme oil is considered to be highly toxic and should not be taken internally."
"Although not well studied in humans, Thymus serpyllum, a related species to Thymus vulgaris, has been shown to exert effects on the thyroid. Use cautiously in patients with thyroid disorders. Estradiol and progesterone receptor-binding activity has also been demonstrated."
"Theoretically, thyme may decrease levels of thyroid hormone. "
http://www.healthline.com/natstandardcontent/thyme-thymol#3

I'm trying to understand the possible long term effects of thyme oil.

This is for sure: If a matter is anti-microbial and not toxic for human cells(for efficient dosage); it can decrease inflammation by decreasing digestive flora in a safer way than antibiotics and cytotoxic agents(like methotrexate, thiopurine). Our flora is already messed up(dysbiosis), best we can do is to decrease the microbal population in our digestive system since we can't 'correct' the floral structure.

Post Edited (xy123) : 10/22/2014 10:22:01 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/23/2014 2:38 PM (GMT 0)
@xyz - I don't think anyone knows. My GI was nice enough to do blood tests all along (his suggestion) so that's the safest. I needed them anyways for Imuran, but he kept the weekly test thing going for much longer just to be sure. He's pretty cool that way. My suggestion would be any others do the same.

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Quick Update on this:

I doubled the dose for the heck of it. It seemed to really help at first but then a few days into it I developed a lot of IBS symptoms, so I killed the experiment and went back to taking what I have always done and things calmed back down to normal again.

I have decided I'm tired of paying for probiotics so now that I feel better I scrapped the reuteri for the last week and seem fine still. I do think it helped a lot in the beginning, but maybe I don't need to take it daily. Who knows.

Anyway still mucus free, pretty much always solid stool and no urgency. After 12 years of this IBD crap I'm pretty darn thankful for this. Not perfect and doubt I ever will be, but for now I'll take it.

Side note: Organic Non-GMO Sprouted Brown Rice Grain Cereal gave me D, urgency and actually mucus and undigested food! all within about 8 hours... Was crazy. Staying away fixed these issues. So this, wheat, medium rare/med steak and tomato sauce are my biggest killers.
Posted 11/4/2014 8:59 PM (GMT 0)
Quick update on this

Based on some further info from OM, stuff I dug up and the MAP thread and such:

I decided to change what I am taking to the following:

Reduce WOO/Thyme to 1 gel cap twice daily.
Increase Imuran back up to 150 mg/daily
Add 10,000 IU of Vitamin A twice daily
Add 5,000 IU of liquid Vitamin D3 twice daily
Add 1 teaspoon (4,365 mg) liquid fish oil twice daily

In the morning I take everything minus the Imuran and at night I take everything and add the Imuran all at the same time.

The result after roughly 2+ weeks has been no short of miraculous. 1x a day really solid, firm poop after 2 weeks. No mucus, no blood, no discomfort, no urgency, no D. I have also watched my diet and stayed away from known trigger foods.

Just perfect now. Excited to go see my GI next week and see what he thinks of it. I think this week coming up I should drop to taking a Vitamin A supplement once a day perhaps.

Side note: I dropped all probiotics as I felt at this point they were no longer needed. Been off them for 2+ weeks now. I want to see if I can let my ummmm natural flora take over now, haha. So far so good.

EDIT: The main difference between now and a few weeks ago was before I was always two or more times a day even though solid - now once a day and not right away as soon as I wake up, sometimes it's more an hour or two after I awake which is something I have not experienced in many, many years. The other day I literally woke up, went to go get a coffee and such and then hit the can a little while after i returned. Crazy. Hope it lasts.

Post Edited (Canada Mark) : 11/4/2014 2:05:18 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 11/4/2014 9:07 PM (GMT 0)
I was really surprised at how well Vitamin A and D both helped. Something you may or may not want to add to the mix is vitamin K2. Thorne research sells vitamin D + K2 drops. Not a whole lot of research out there on vitamin K, but with our compromised microbiome we may or may not be deficient in K vitamins. I've also read there is some sort of synergistic effect. Just thought you might find that worth exploring, Mark.
Posted 11/4/2014 10:25 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks, I will. I forgot you added vitamin A & D with some success as well. It took a few days but things really clicked after I added it. Before I was just Vitamin D only with no real benefit. The A & D combo with the others is what seemed to help the most.
Posted 11/6/2014 12:03 PM (GMT 0)
Very interested in your progress CM. I have been on a combination of thyme and oregano oil for a while now.
Posted 11/6/2014 12:37 PM (GMT 0)
"Increase Imuran back up to 150 mg/daily"



DRUGS ?????!!!!!!! you're taking DRUGGSS????!!!!

guess i need to keep up a little better eyes

glad you're doing so well cm -

I firmly believe in rotating the probio's or giving them a break for a bit - and like you said, let the natural floridas do their thing -

and thanks again to you and OM for your diligent contributions -
Posted 12/5/2014 2:26 AM (GMT 0)
Update (Dec 4, 2014)

So today is a major milestone. One full month, 30 days straight of once a day solid stool. Pretty crazy.

Food is still capable of inducing symptoms overnight, but for 30 days I stuck to my safe foods (just to see what would happen) which was not easy, but not all that hard really. Frustrating more than anything.

Also went to my GI for my 6 month review a few weeks ago... he was impressed and suggested I come in in 9 months for another review unless things change and I flare.

Here is what I take again: (Which is different from when I first started)

Morning:
WOO/Thyme Oil Capsule - 1 Gel Cap
Vitamin A & D - 1 Gel Cap

Evening:
WOO/Thyme Oil - 1 Gel Cap
Vitamin A & D - 1-2 Gel Caps
Immuran 150/mg

I take this every day....

EDIT: It was the addition of the Vitamin A & Vitamin D along with the WOO/Thyme that was like the light switch. Vit D on it's own makes no difference. Same with Vitamin A on it's own, and WOO/Thyme on it's own works, but I have more bowel movements per day and usually some "looser" stool.

Post Edited (Canada Mark) : 12/4/2014 7:45:21 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/5/2014 2:36 AM (GMT 0)
@Badgut... If you read this by chance can you let us now how you're doing. Is it still working for you? You're the only Ulcerative Colitis person I am aware of that has been taking the WOO daily for as long as I have. I hope you are in fact still well!
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