Don't eat potatoes, tomatoes, eggplants

I think everyone should eat Thai coconut soup!

All the foods that are not part of the "origins foods" (ie foods eaten by our ancestors) are not made for us (colitis or not). That's my opinion.

Also, about dairy, they contain many antibiotics, cow hormones, etc, and you shouldnt eat them, colitis or not. I live in France, and even here in the country of healthy foods (lol...cliché again) milk is one of the worse and more toxic food.. So I can't imagine what it is in USA... (good luck guys)

With colitis you have to select carefully your foods. And studies are here to help (the ones I put in the OP are ones among others, please stop searching for the details to challenge these studies like some of you do, that's just ridiculous. There is nothing worse than the one who don't want to see.

There are tons of studies concluding solanacaes are aggressive for the intestine, and are not good for autoimmune diseases. If you don't want to see the truth, please don't discourage the others with false arguments, that's a shame to do this.

I am just pointing some studies that can open the eyes of the more interested of you, concerning the ones who don't care, well go on I'm not at your place and you're old enough to take your own (bad) decisions.

Cheers

Post Edited (jeanloup) : 3/13/2015 10:52:16 AM (GMT-6)

jeanloup said...
All the foods that are not part of the "origins foods" (ie foods eaten by our ancestors) are not made for us (colitis or not). That's my opinion.

Also, about dairy, they contain many antibiotics, cow hormones, etc, and you shouldnt eat them, colitis or not. I live in France, and even here in the country of healthy foods (lol...cliché again) milk is one of the worse and more toxic food.. So I can't imagine what it is in USA... (good luck guys)

With colitis you have to select carefully your foods. And studies are here to help (the ones I put in the OP are ones among others, please stop searching for the details to challenge these studies like some of you do, that's just ridiculous. There is nothing worse than the one who don't want to see.

There are tons of studies concluding solanacaes are aggressive for the intestine, and are not good for autoimmune diseases. If you don't want to see the truth, please don't discourage the others with false arguments, that's a shame to do this.

I am just pointing some studies that can open the eyes of the more interested of you, concerning the ones who don't care, well go on I'm not at your place and you're old enough to take your own (bad) decisions.

Cheers

I read the studies and do not go by generalities. There is certainly chicken which has been fed hormones and antibiotics and then organic, free range, non-hormone which has no antibiotics. That's not what this post started as.

You're talking about 'tons' of studies (on mice) showing the negative ('aggressive for the intestine') effects of solanacaes and I merely point to reputable sites showing contrary as, for one, tomatoes benefit us in Vitamins A and C and antioxidants. The 'tons' of studies you're referring to (although I could not possible read them all) seem to me to be feeding mice ridiculous amounts of some food then concluding that this 'may' be harmful to people with IBD. Other studies pinpoint the small intestine. The last portion of their papers conclude more research is needed and they are small studies.

I do well with tomatoes and, apparently so do many others. I believe your post needs the balance of my facts that there are no studies which conclude tomatoes increase inflammation for UC. Some can't tolerate foods and each is different in that respect.

I believe your post will cause people harm if not put into perspective and balance with facts.

Eating roasted potatoes has been really beneficial for me. Also bananas. In normal, not extreme, amounts.

Since the caveman was in a constant battle for survival and died young, I'm certainly not going to hold up their diet as the epitome of what is *best* for us to eat, lol. All of the great advances in civilization occurred much later in history, when people were eating a wider selection of foods, so I'll stick to variety.

Arguing food is like arguing religion. Its personal, its subjective, and we'll never agree with everyone. Just do what works for you. Share your experiences but share them from your POV and try not to impose them on everyone else. I understand that when you have that eureka moment you just want to share it with everyone so that they can enjoy it too, but again, one size does not fit all in the wonderful world of UC.

jeanloup: everyone is entitled to their own way of "eating". I'm glad whatever you are doing works for you. As for me, I'll continue to eat tomatoes, tomato sauce, potatoes.

kiwi said:
Arguing food is like arguing religion. Its personal, its subjective, and we'll never agree with everyone. Just do what works for you. Share your experiences but share them from your POV and try not to impose them on everyone else. I understand that when you have that eureka moment you just want to share it with everyone so that they can enjoy it too, but again, one size does not fit all in the wonderful world of UC.

I very much agree with this as I've tried so many "name" diets and only got a little bit better from them. Remission started only when I let my gut tell me what it could handle and what it can't. I don't eat tomatoes because my gut doesn't like them, don't eat eggplant cause I personally don't like it. But I eat a LOT of potatoes because they make my gut happy, from cold potato salad to french fries to baked potatoes.

There is no named diet that my gut abides by, no nightshade commonality, no ancestral etc. Because we're eating less meat now I buy antibiotic-free meats. Recently switched to organic potatoes because regular potatoes are heavily pesticided. Not UC-related choices, just personal.

Diet modification got me to remission but food choices should be determined by individual guts (until science comes up with a better plan). I was so happy the day my gut allowed milk and ice-cream again but even there have to read the labels and avoid carageenan and other additives or bad things happen.

i do it potatoes, but no tomatoes (because of seeds), no paprika (don't tolerate anything spicy), no eggplants (seeds). but i eat much gluten and dairy (no fresh milk). I'm currently off the meds. IMO, in case of left-sided colitis, the most important thing is low residue diet :)

Guardian7 said...
I think jeanloup means well and wants us to avoid certain health pitfalls that could cause issues in the future. An Ben Franklin said - an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of a cure. I agree that nutrition plays a huge role in disease prevention and recovery, but the semantics get a little tricky when we single out one food. I think potatoes are great for healing the gut when cooked and peeled properly, but I understand some may have issues with the skins. Tomatoes are abundant in the Mediterranean cuisine so I don't think it can be that bad. I think we can learn a lot from the civilizations that stick to their traditional diets and avoid preservative ridden food.

I think we all can agree that there is sufficient evidence to avoid industrial oils (omega-6), emulsifiers like polysorbate and just other crazy preservative ridden food in general. Wheat is a gray area because of the processing methods - some countries do it right while others screw it up.

I agree with you, Guardian's posts and do appreciate your info, jeanloup. Although I do not agree with your statement: "Don't eat potatoes, tomatoes, eggplants". You are absolutely telling people what not to eat with only giving some weak studies on mice as reference points. Help me out more if you're going to take away my pizza, mashed potatoes, mother's potatoes au gratin, spaghetti and several Mediterranean, Indian and other dishes which I've enjoyed since being in remission since 2010.

Although my kids were not allowed to use Wikipedia as accurate references for their school papers I agree with what's written here

Potatoes (Not Green) & Tomatoes May Be Just Fine

after reading about 30 different studies and articles on this thread. It also goes in line with what I grew up being told by my mother. She was very careful in selecting potatoes and warned me against skins and especially green potatoes and made sure, when peeling, we got every bit of brown or otherwise discoloration off them before boiling them.

So, as for tomatoes and eggplant, I agree with what guardian said above. My in-laws are Greek and the food is outstanding. As is the food from Turkey (sister-in-law) and is similar to that from Iran (my boss). All have several dishes made of eggplant and tomatoes. Just not gorging on any one item everyday - moderation.

Also, my brother in law from Sweden and his family would die without their potatoes and I have two sisters and the one who has eaten the most potatoes (married to the Swede) is not the one who has UC. The other sister and I don't really eat that much potatoes really - all anecdotal, I realize.

Eggplants do taste bitter, I read that's the sign of a bad potato, so just show me more evidence as to those being bad for UC please

So, jeanloup, please read that site above (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solanine) and tell me if this is or is not an accurate reflection of what you're trying to warn people about.

I definitely read your sources but you just have to understand that there are so many different users who post what not to eat and what to eat and much is contradictory. I'm skeptical but intrigued and did learn more on this.
I won't ever eat another potato skin (didn't eat many anyway). As for tomatoes, I'm still looking for more data but I believe the upper gut is more of the issue with some. Eggplant - not certain and I only eat that about once per month and holiday gatherings. I'd like more than mice studies though.

Thanks

ozzie_oz said...
Ipoop
when you say you are in remission 6 months with 1bm/day- do you still see traces of blood time to time?

No signs of blood, at least for me. I'll on rare occasion, see a little mucus on my stool.

Blood was one of the first symptoms to go away, for me. Others have said it was the last side effect to go away. Seems to vary patient-to-patient. A little, occasional blood on stool probably isn't much of concern. So it's a matter of how much and how often. Blood on tp is a flare.

ki-wi said...
Don't do this, do do that. After 2 years of UC I am pretty certain that it is pointless to offer dietary advice to others. What works for you works for you, and that's great. But one size doesn't fit all.

I agree. Diet, with this disease, is very individual.

I've been in remission for almost two years now and I eat potatoes, tomatoes, tomato sauce. No issues at all.

My system absolutely loves potatoes and tomatoes. With uc one size never fits all

I'm fine with peeled, boiled potatoes (sweet and regular) as either a mash or a potato salad. It's anecdotal but another piece of date.

I think sweet potatoes are actually better/easier on my gut, but both are fine.