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Posted 3/24/2015 10:42 AM (GMT 0)
Hi all:

I'm trying SCD as I taper off pred...I figure now is a good time.

I have a couple questions...

Dairy...I know the point is to not eat the lactose...but eating cheese seems so wrong...but I love cheese so I won't argue! 'Brick cheese' is legal...is this merely the bricks of cheese you can buy at any grocery? Cheddar or Colby or whatever?

Also, on making bone broth and eating meat...is grass fed necessary? I know it's better of course but on occasions when I don't have any...is conventional ok? Because cows are fed lots of corn...and corn is not allowed. I have a source for pasture/grass fed meats...but sometimes it is hard to get there.

Any other info/tips would be appreciated.

I'm going to try to figure out how to make the yogurt today hopefully...I'm worried about not getting it right and having too much lactose and not enough good bacteria.

Thanks for any input!
Posted 3/24/2015 11:12 AM (GMT 0)
Aged cheese is SCD legal because it has less lactose, those are "brick" cheeses rather than younger soft cheese which have much more lactose. So no brie or cheese-in-a-can but swiss is OK.

Grass fed? SCD does not care but I care about antibiotics so choose that kind of meat.

You gut will tell you if it's getting too much lactose with D and/or urgency.

My gut never liked yogurt although I myself LOVED it especially homemade SCD yogurt. Hope yours does.
Let it sit for 24 hours so most of the lactose is eaten by the good bacteria. You can make it thicker (and drain more lactose) by using cheesecloth to drain it more in the fridge after it's done. Thick Greek-style yogurt. The drippings are "whey" which has lactose in it. And no my gut didn't like this type either. Sad.
Posted 3/24/2015 8:52 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks ima...

Do you make broths? If so do you take the fat off after it's cooled or not? I've got to get fat from somewhere. ..
Posted 3/24/2015 9:51 PM (GMT 0)
My gut loves fat and oil (animal or veggie) so I don't skim. You can freeze it which makes skimming easy.
I make chicken broth every week from chicken bones from dinner. Less rarely beef broth, however lamb broth is the BEST! I make slow cooked lamb stew in a 200 degree oven about once a week. Small amount of lamb with bone, seared on stovetop first in a French oven and then into the oven for 4-5 hours, add veggies in the last hour. Too bad summer is coming and less desire to use the oven.

Weird but even in remission my gut is OK with milk, butter and cream but still hates soft cheese (cream cheese, brie, boursin etc) and of course still hates yogurt. Probably an IBS thing or maybe I don't have the right bacteria for those.

I have to be a little careful not to overdo the swiss cheese or constipation happens. Cheese is yummy, cold, melted, toasted, any old way.

Post Edited (imagardener2) : 3/24/2015 3:56:11 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/25/2015 2:13 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks ima!! :)
Posted 3/25/2015 2:58 AM (GMT 0)
You should check out the Inflammatory Bowel Disease - Anti-inflammatory Diet (IBD - AID).

Click here: UMASS Study Diet & Results

Gioia Persuittethe and associates of UMASS took 11 IBD patients and put them on this IBD - AID. The study was funded in 2010 by part of the National Institute of Health's budget.

You can listen to a podcast interview explaining more: Gioia's Interview

The SCD websites are very excited to learn the study referenced SCD as a starting point: SCD Website talking about the diet

The cool thing about this diet is it improves on SCD. It follows the theory (building proper gut flora by starving bad bacteria and feeding good with probiotics and prebiotics) yet improves by adding research which has progressed greatly since the mid 90's when SCD was released in mass.

IBD-AID mostly cuts simple sugars and gluten but allows, if tolerated, rice and oats (Gioia says the theory is oats ferment in the intestines thus feeding good bacteria - a prebiotic).

To me this diet makes a lot more sense and is a whole lot easier to follow. It also goes more along what I've seen common with what so many users mention tolerating in here through the yeara.
Posted 3/25/2015 3:29 AM (GMT 0)
Burli that sound like exactly how I can eat! I will check that out,

Today I didn't feel good, not enough food, I came home and made some rice in chicken broth and now I feel better. I have tried no rice, it's almost physically impossible for me,
Posted 3/25/2015 3:38 AM (GMT 0)
Actually I didn't see where rice was allowed, just steel cut oats. I still eat my rice! ;/)
Posted 3/25/2015 4:21 AM (GMT 0)
If you listen to the interview with Gioia she said that the diet includes gluten free grains (as most were well tolerated). Those include gluten free oats and rice.

about 10 minutes into the following you'll hear her discuss that part of the diet.

Listen here:

Gioia's Interview

Times in the interview list what topics are covered when:
1:30 Gioia’s background and how she got involved in the study
4:20 Who was eligible for this study?
8:24 The specific changes were made to the SCD to create the IBD-AID?
13:59 How fast did most of the patients start seeing progress?
19:42 Did anyone eat SCD Yogurt?
22:09 What Fish oil was everyone taking?
27:13 Was Vitamin D supplementation part of the study?
28:46 Diet modifications got people off drugs – but how long did it take?
33:00 Email gioia.persuitte AT umassmed.edu to find out more
35:01 What were her biggest big “Ah Ha”moments from the study?

I didn't see it on the report (link I provided above) but have hear it discussed and seen it included in other reports on the diet.

She does emphasize (as do all those touting natural treatments) the need to discus this with your doctor.
Posted 3/25/2015 4:45 AM (GMT 0)
Oh thanks! I just went to the website they have tons of recipes!!!
Posted 3/25/2015 11:08 AM (GMT 0)
Very interesting! Thanks!!
Posted 3/25/2015 11:21 AM (GMT 0)
Although...that's not the official SCD website...but it is one I've used. The official one is breakingtheviciouscycle...just like the name of the book.

I actually don't care for oats and they make me feel heavy and boated :( however, rice and potatoes don't bother me so I was planning to reintroduce those down the road if I see positive results from SCD.

Fingers crossed!
Posted 3/25/2015 1:05 PM (GMT 0)
I have Elaine's book (bought it long ago and tried the diet a couple times). I was going to suggest you really read the theory if you're going to try it as I believe it suggests, for UC, staying on the diet for at least two years then introducing other foods, gradually, one year after the gas and bloating have disappeared so good luck with it and let us know in 3 years if you're still on it and symptom free. I'm always interested in knowing long terms results.

The first time I tried it I stayed on it too long as I lost weight and continued to decline. You're in much less severe shape than my flare it seems (?) so please let us know in a few months and a few years how things are going.

Oats seem to bother me but I was interested that the other diet called it a prebiotic (interesting).

I do well with rice.

A users in here cautioned against potato skins and green potatoes causing gut permeability. His post cautioned against eating tomatoes, potatoes and eggplant (you can search that). I've always heard not to eat potato skins and green potatoes - not sure about the tomato and eggplant though.

Another user cautioned and pointed to studies suggesting eating a more alkaline diet.

I noticed that the UMASS study was not double blind and rather small. Don't believe it was controlled either. 3 of the 11 patients had UC. I'd like to talk to the researchers myself.

Users point to studies on UC-induced mice and certain foods causing gut permeability or inflammation - I read all those.

Good luck!
Posted 3/25/2015 2:34 PM (GMT 0)
Anybody actually listen to Gloria's interview? She sounds pretty clueless. Many answers were wishy washy.
Posted 3/25/2015 2:52 PM (GMT 0)
seems to me that UC and answers to UC questions will always be "wishy washy" !
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