Fever induced Ulcerative Proctitis remission

Keeping this very brief to just throw it out there (i have lots of detail to add, logs - etc):

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3 years back i came down with ulcerative proctitis due to 2 cycles of antibiotics (doc's won't admit that - but i guarantee it). Took 9 months of hardcore diet - whole foods - very healthy and a crazy long list of supplements & then i hit remission or was cured at least i thought. Note that ManMade medicine I was given initially I ditched after a month with no results. To give the GI specialist some credit though I tried a Natural Suppository for a while but dropped that also. Just Diet and Supplements got me right.

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9 months ago it came back, no clue why. Everything i did the first bout did not help prevent it (i never stopped my crazy good diet and supplements). I went crazy thorough with random things to try and fix it. I did everything short of Oxygen Therapy/Poop Transplant/Rectal Removal/Frequency Therapy/& other extreme options. Never did I take ManMade medicine. It's what screwed me up in the first place. I dropped all supplements. Tried new GAPS/SCD diets - nothing. I have a list but will keep it short for now. Interestingly the crappier I ate my symptoms got better the next day (still not great at all though). More on this later.

3-Just recently my son came down with a 7 day fever of which I also came down with for 7 days. During this time I had no alcohol, I ate nothing, fever was in the 101 to 104.5 range at all times, and I cycled drinking 1) Apple Cider Vinegar/Lemon/Honey combo 2) Fresh grated garlic tea 3) Oil of Oregano in water. Once fever was gone, and I could eat and produce some poop I realized i was 99% better & have been for 2 weeks now.

4-Why? The crappy food thing makes me think the immune system got distracted just a tad to counteract the negative effects of the poor food choices thus allowing the area getting inappropriately attacked (rectum) a slight rest from myself attacking it. The fever thing, it was a bad fever, I think my immune system was 100% devoted to just it and had zero time to address my non-existent rectal issue (not in it's mind though). Time will tell whether or not I'll shortly regress now that my immune system is bored again and could start attacking rectum again. Could have also been bacteria related, as a weeks worth of high fever and the drinks I was on would wipe out anything for sure, but having been on SCD for 3 weeks & VitE/OOO enemas having no effect, i'm leaning towards the immune system as the culprit. I just started experimenting with Fermented Vegetables when i got the fever, so I'll avoid that for now, but It was #1 on my list next.

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In conclusion, to potentially get remission, somehow figure out how to induce yourself with a prolonged 7 day fever, fast, and take those 3 types of natural drink combo's I was on during that time. Hang out with people with the fever, make out with them, whatever it takes - definitely worth a try.

It's very possible. Please keep us updated. Unfortunately, what works for one is not a cure for all. You may have had a bad virus or bacteria causing yours and the fever hopefully wiped it out. Hope it sticks.

Good news that you have had this result.

Yes, there was a thread a while back where (probably Old Mike) posted some research that observed remission of UC after inducing a fever. Also, it looks like you were pretty much fasting for 7 days? Another study posted recently suggested that the immune system re-sets itself after 3 days fasting. Also, you took a lot of natural anti-virals and anti-bacterials in your drinks - maybe all of these things together made the difference for your remission.

I seem to be more like notsosicklygirl the past few years - every bad cold etc seems to set off a flare for me.

When I was getting over a cold a few years ago, I randomly broke out in hives all over my body after it. Colds and fevers definitely do weird things to any AI diseases you might have.

Honestly, from the post, i am confused as to whether there was a diagnosis of UC made at all so I don't know if the fever is even relevant. Did anyone see it stated that there was a diagnosis with a scope and biopsy?

Strangely that's also my case, everytime i catch a cold my symptoms subside dramatically.

Dreadsteel said...
Strangely that's also my case, everytime i catch a cold my symptoms subside dramatically.

Interesting your symptoms got better with cold,
the other posts in this thread people with Colds actually got worse and relapsed.
I'm not sure if they took any medicine or not, but that could be at play. Doctors love to throw antibiotics at you
if you have a sore throat/bad cold. Don't do it.

Fyi, I'm still 99% better since the fever. I actually didn't know you can induce a fever - that was just an idea i had. Mine fever occurred naturally - i think it was possibly viral meningitis i had (this is the non fatal version of meningitis) which explains why it lasted so long. Had bad sore neck and scalp. A bit of topic, and it could have been something else - not that it matters - i think it was just the high temp that was the key. If you can induce a fever, I seriously am going to demand this whenever a flare-up reoccurs or maybe even in 1 month from now if I can't get the last 1% to heal up.

99% for me: No more growly stomach, upset stomach, blood splat all over the bowl - even the rim and back plate, no more explosive release, no more extreme urgency, no accidental pus/blood/gunk accidental release on taking a quick harmless fart, no more little chunks and unformed bm's, no more 3-6 bm's a day - down to 2 a day and sometimes just 1 even. I do have 100% bm's with zero blood even on the toilet paper, however I usually have some blood on the TP, and maybe a streak or drop in the bowl.

ehlosaj said...

Dreadsteel said...
Strangely that's also my case, everytime i catch a cold my symptoms subside dramatically.

Interesting your symptoms got better with cold,
the other posts in this thread people with Colds actually got worse and relapsed.
I'm not sure if they took any medicine or not, but that could be at play. Doctors love to throw antibiotics at you
if you have a sore throat/bad cold. Don't do it.

Fyi, I'm still 99% better since the fever. I actually didn't know you can induce a fever - that was just an idea i had. Mine fever occurred naturally - i think it was possibly viral meningitis i had (this is the non fatal version of meningitis) which explains why it lasted so long. Had bad sore neck and scalp. A bit of topic, and it could have been something else - not that it matters - i think it was just the high temp that was the key. If you can induce a fever, I seriously am going to demand this whenever a flare-up reoccurs or maybe even in 1 month from now if I can't get the last 1% to heal up.

99% for me: No more growly stomach, upset stomach, blood splat all over the bowl - even the rim and back plate, no more explosive release, no more extreme urgency, no accidental pus/blood/gunk accidental release on taking a quick harmless fart, no more little chunks and unformed bm's, no more 3-6 bm's a day - down to 2 a day and sometimes just 1 even. I do have 100% bm's with zero blood even on the toilet paper, however I usually have some blood on the TP, and maybe a streak or drop in the bowl.

Could sauna help ?

Did you ever get to test your current Faecal calprotectin ?

My GI guru always said Totally avoid NSAIDs and antibiotics, but if i absolutely have to use one of them then

Antibiotic : Tavanic 500mg [Levofloxacin] ONLY
Painkillers: Paracetamol, paramol, Adol ..etc non of the hardcore NSAID stuff

surprisingly my problems showed up after using Brexin for knee pain by like 6~8 months

I pulled this from my dummest thread.

If I get sick I do not produce much of a fever anymore.

While intestinal flora have been implicated in the maintenance of normal body temperature (Kluger et al. 1990), abnormal infiltration of these pathogens over a period of time might result in chronic activation of host defence responses. One potential consequence of this chronic activation could be a suppressed ability to mount an additional response to secondary infection, characterized by a suppression of fever. In support of this are findings that demonstrate

Old Mike

http://jp.physoc.org/content/548/3/929.long

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 9/7/2014 1:06:54 PM (GMT-6)

ehlosaj said...

Faecal calprotectin? never heard of that, i think that's just to determine which inflammatory disease you have (ibs vs chrons vs UC/etc)

Nope, it measures your current inflammation activity in the colon far more accurate than ESR/CRP, if you're below 200mg/kg then your disease is calm/remission and within normal ranges for your case ( normal people are from 0~50 for those <50 years old)

Decided to put this in this thread as opposed to a urine thread.

Anyhow while searching tnf alpha/neutrophil bursts this baby came up.

Of course my reason for searching that is to see if oxygen would be lowered in the colon by inhibiting

oxidative bursts by biologics, as a tie in with reducing facultative anaerobes,burst would be reduced by tnf inhibition.

Seems that if you have a fever a lot of tnf alpha inhibitor is in the urine.

A question might be if you induce an artificial fever, just by heating your body are you making a lot of this stuff,

or do you need a real fever.

A next question, if so, if you drink up, will the inhibitor survive digestion and do anything.

Another question is that it is also in the serum,so perhaps that is enough to do the job.

Oldie but goodie.

Interesting info,need to look at this a bit more.

DRINK UP.

Old Mike

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1384408/pdf/immunology00122-0126.pdf

 

Too bad they did not look more than 24 hours, a big knock down of TNF by hyperthermia.

Looks like you can get a 50% reduction,from one bath, is the effect cumulative, don't know.

Looks like then measured body temp under the tongue, and only took it to 101.3 not all that high.

Might have to get a hot tub, or a sauna.

Old Mike

here is the cached version the pdf link not working right

if you go to the top of the page and click on the http link it should work.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:-y8-FjE16wkJ:www.seekinghealth.com/media/research/hyperthermia%2520and%2520AS.pdf+&cd=21&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 7/7/2015 11:13:06 AM (GMT-6)