Vaccination opt out is a cop out that literally is making people sick,says infectious disease leader

I did watch the video that Iamcurious posted. It raised my eyebrows and made me question a few things. But I question more the allergy side from additives.

PS - It really is worth hearing what this gentleman has to say regardless of your standpoint. Everyone deserves to speak their side.

Also it hurts quite a bit to see/learn what these children go through.

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One lesson you learn in life is whenever you have two people claiming vastly different versions of the same story; most often the answer is in the middle.

I've actually been thinking not about adjuvants (so the mercury compound) common to vaccines in the US and abroad - but what they term as exipients. So what is used in manufacturing of vaccine and is present in the injections/oral compounds themselves. The list is pretty extensive on some of the vaccines.

There really has been a huge surge in "inflammatory" conditions in general and it does seem to mimic vaccinations at a glance.

So what are the chances that in young infants some of these compounds or additives to certain vaccines remaining from the manufacturing process are causing the immune system in a select few to respond? - or have a hyper response for one reason or another. Sort of prime them in a negative way.

Maybe it's time someone took a hard look at that aspect if they have not already.

In regards to vaccines maybe early and multiple administration of vaccines provide to many or to high levels on antigenic compounds and prime the immune system to "hate" and "attack" these from now on. Like egg, peanut proteins, etc etc. whatever is commonly used to produce vaccines. So not so much the mercury which has been used for a long time, but all the other stuff... Could be co-incidence though. Who knows.

In regards to IBD/IBS specifically I'd like to look around and see if there are more studies on anti-histamines and their effects. I'm super curious now.

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There's a few on the board here who have children with autism and have mentioned all they read a lot of studies etc. So here is a few mentions of mast cells and Autism - which I can't help but wonder again if there has been any success in anti-histamine type drugs? Or if someone has tried this type of approach?

Some of these or perhaps all apply to us (with IBD) as well.

The "missing link" in autoimmunity and autism: extracellular mitochondrial components secreted from activated live mast cells: - www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23831684

Impact of Cytokines in Mast cells Allergic Inflammation
researchpub.org/journal/iti/number/vol1-no3/vol1-no3-1.pdf

Is a subtype of autism an allergy of the brain?:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23688533

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I posted these because I am asking the very same question about IBD brought on by your DAO thread - Is it possible IBD is an allergy of the intestine? Brought on by damage/infection of our mucosal barrier.

Post Edited (Canada Mark) : 6/9/2014 10:00:44 PM (GMT-6)

I also wonder if maybe an allergy to something in our guts is a factor in IBD. Early on with my disease I came across some people who were treating their IBD with antihistamines with varying results. Don't remember anyone who claimed it as a cure. I believe I tried it and didn't see much difference. The DAO has made a tremendous difference in me though. It got me from going 20-30 times per day when eating high histamine foods to 5-12 times per day. Somewhere in there my colon must have suffered some healing. Since adding the grape seed extract I now go 2-5 times per day.

This is going to seem a bit gross but I have recently come up with an idea that I haven't tested yet but I have noticed that on days where maybe I don't wipe 100% I get redness happening, much like baby diaper rash. This has been happening for years and didn't think much of it as baby's get the diaper rash so why couldn't adults too? But, what if it is not a rash due to not wiping well enough but is in fact an allergic reaction your body has to it's own feces? My idea is to purposely wipe a small amount of feces onto your skin somewhere, much like an allergy scratch test and observe what happens. If IBD is related to an allergy to something in our guts (like maybe a good or bad bacteria) then this could possibly open up a new treatment option. I put my first autoimmune disease (ITP) in remission once I started allergy shots. First I had taken allergy meds like antihistamines but they did not help. Perhaps designing an allergy shot to desensitize your body to fecal allergens could be a treatment for IBD.

Sue, that's what I always thought but I'm opening my mind up to the possibility that maybe there is more going on there than that simple explanation. I'm always trying to think outside the box. Could be a wild goose chase and so far I have no plans to work on it. But, it is in the back of my mind. Phase I trial is seeing what kind of reaction I got to the post.

@gary I have pondered the same thing but struggled with Fecal Transplant success. The only reasoning I could come up with off the top of my head is that it's not the poop in general, but perhaps a specific commensal bacteria that became highly antigenic if there was a break down in the mucus barrier or something. Again, just thinking out loud.

Mast Cells in Gastrointestinal Disease
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3033552/

Allergic Mastocytic Gastroenteritis and Colitis: An Unexplained Etiology in Chronic Abdominal Pain and Gastrointestinal Dysmotility www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3346686/

In regards to the second one I read a little earlier that it's felt approximately 10% of UC cases are misdiagnosed and actually are "Allergic Colitis"

Anyone know if Gluten is common in vaccines? Like during the manufacturing process... Some of the anti vac sites claim peanut and egg are common, which I believe is actually true but they also claim this explains the rise in allergies - but what they don't show or attempt to explain with this logic is that peanut and egg allergies are common here in the US, but in Japan it's rice, and South America it's beef and I highly doubt vaccine makers switch to using beef and rice in their manufacturing process for these countries.

Autism has always been around, guys. It's certainly not new and it's probably not any more common. People are vastly, vastly more aware of it than they were even 20 years ago, that is all. It's also become - for want of a better word - a "trendy" diagnosis: at one point, it felt like every other young, socially awkward, male on the internet was proclaiming they had Asperger's.

Mind, I can't scoff: going for an adult autism assessment myself next month... ¬_¬

Post Edited (NiceCupOfTea) : 6/10/2014 6:17:15 PM (GMT-6)

Why on earth am I reading in this thread? Sometimes I'm my own worst enemy. This is another one of the topics that will never be resolved.

This seems like quite a contentious subject with strong views on both sides, where consensus is very unlikely.

The vaccine debate is a PERFECT example of why proper science education should be absolutely mandatory until grade 12 at least. Not being able to evaluate the scientific literature, understand the scientific and peer review process, and accept scientific consensus causes way to many issues. If you havent had the proper education, how can an educated scientist hope to explain in any meaningful way WHY you are wrong...

As for the part of a civil war....seriously....?

CCinPA said...
Vaccines only became controversial after that doctor in the UK published a report linking them to autism. That report has since been dis-credited and shown to be a fraud yet the vaccine controversy lives on...
I had to have certain vaccines (small pox for one) before I could start school. Other vaccines were provided later as they were developed -- again they were given through schools.

This controversy did not start with Andrew Wakefield. Parents are scared to death of our ongoing autism epidemic that medical authorities cannot explain. We antivaxxers are not against the vaccine schedule that you and I received as children. We are against today's schedule that is overwhelming little ones as mentioned earlier in this thread. How can modern medicine be so sure that it is probably not vaccines if they don't have a clue explaining the current exponential rise of autism.

IamCurious said...
In 1983, before the autism epidemic began, children received 10 vaccinations before entering school. Today, they are receiving 26 vaccines before the end of their first year—and 36 by the time they start school.

In 1983 the autism rate was 1 in 2500. In 1990 it jumped to one in 500. The government's estimate of autism has moved up again to 1 in 68 U.S. children, a 30 percent increase in the last two years. Coincidence? Maybe, but don't dismiss parents noting behavioral changes in their little ones immediately after getting their shots.

I don't know why they have to give infants 3X the vaccines than were given in the 1980's. Why are we now giving tiny infants vaccines for hepatitis B? According to the CDC's own literature childhood vaccines contain aluminum -- a neurotoxin that has been linked to Alzheimer’s disease.

Thanks to today's new vaccine schedule by the time the baby is two months old he will have received 1,225 mcg of aluminum -- 50 times higher than safety levels, with more shots scheduled in the pipeline.

Dr. Wakefield was never convicted by a jury or in a court of law. He has issued challenges to his accusers to debate him in the media, but no medical authorities have accepted his challenge. We should see both sides and check out his side of the story before deciding for ourselves.
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6DuBR_xGQg

As far as legal cases go, the United States federal court has filed official court decisions that have linked vaccinations as an environmental trigger of autism. The court in which all of these decisions are rendered is the Office of Special Masters of the United States Courts of Federal Claims, otherwise known as “Vaccine Court.”

Post Edited (IamCurious) : 7/29/2015 5:51:53 PM (GMT-6)

Because it's an interesting topic in general for a variety of reasons.

The "non-vax" - (though I don't really like that name) people like say the risks are to high etc etc etc... rise in autism and so on. But let's face it, no matter what you believe in or what one's opinion is - Purely by numbers, it is still safer to vaccinate regardless of any potential side effects - death rates and serious complications would be exponentially higher if everyone just up and stopped vaccinating. Thats the basic black and white of it.

Before modern vaccinations there were many children who died, were crippled, and hospitalized with horrible diseases. Now they're preventable, yet some choose not to give them, I cannot understand. It might be hard to remember how awful those diseases really were, now that we don't see them regularly anymore. Even if a vaccine had a small chance of causing autism (I don't believe it does), it's better than:

Polio, that crippled president Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Tetanus kills about 1 out of 10 people who are infected even after receiving the best medical care.

DIPHTHERIA can lead to breathing problems, heart failure, paralysis, and death.

PERTUSSIS can also lead to weight loss, incontinence, and rib fractures. Up to 2 in 100 adolescents and 5 in 100 adults with pertussis are hospitalized or have complications, which could include pneumonia or death.

And there are others prevented by modern vaccinations...

IamCurious said...
That is why we support the 1983 vaccine schedule.

Who is "we"?

I'm not sure about the whole vaccination/autism link - tho it may be true in some instances. I have a friend who has 2 autistic children - mother and father carry a genetic trait so they decided not to have any more children.

As for preventing dangerous childhood diseases, I speak from first hand experience. It's not always foolproof. At the age of 12 I got Rubella, nearly went blind because of it and I am left with scarring on my stomach. My best friend got the mumps at 11. And yes, we received our boosters.