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Posted 9/18/2015 6:15 PM (GMT 0)

Looks like another way to mess with your gut bug populations.

Old Mike

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2015-09-beta-glucan-enriched-pasta-boosts-good-gut.html

Posted 9/18/2015 10:09 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for sharing.

Beta Glucan is present in baker's yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae), barley, oats, rye, etc. There are also supplements available on amazon, but probably best to get it from the real sources.

Could be why bread with barley malt helps me during flares. Jordan Rubin (the author of the Maker's Diet who had terminal crohn's) recommends the ancient sprouted grains. I know ezekiel and foodforlife make quality breads. I would love me some toast right about now.
Posted 9/18/2015 10:23 PM (GMT 0)
I am waiting for my MOLD INHIBOTOR to arrive. I would be here but Monday it landed at old address and went into USPS hell. I started over and the next one should show up.

Why Potassium Sorbate ?

Because two boxes of cookies from whole foods are great but one box results in perfect waste for me and that one has the MOLD INHIBITOR so why not give it a whirl ?

Maybe Potassium Sorbate and Beta-glucan-enriched pasta
Posted 9/20/2015 1:01 AM (GMT 0)
Not only is Potassium Sorbate working it is LEGAL on SCD.

Now to add beta-glucan pasta. I see many many articles about it but nowhere can I find to buy it. Ezekial Break is nice but does not help.
Posted 9/20/2015 10:25 AM (GMT 0)
Aguy: Don't believe you need to eat the pasta.
Cheerois I believe are 100% whole grain oats, but they seem to bother me.
You could just eat barley, or barley flower if you can find that.

On the subject of potassium sorbate what do you mean by its working.
Which symptoms are improving, how much do you take a day.

My son is a big believer in the fungal ethology of IBD, yeast overgrowth ect.
There is not all that much out there on IBD and fungus, it may possibly make IBD worse.

Here is something new on the subject,a problem with dectin-1.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/08/science/la-sci-sn-fungus-irritable-bowel-20120608


more new info

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25522934


you would think that after all these years they would know more if fungus was causal.

Old Mike

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 9/20/2015 4:36:46 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/20/2015 11:38 AM (GMT 0)

Old Mike said...
On the subject of potassium sorbate what do you mean by its working.

What I mean is : Rope like twisted wasted that I have to push out. I know many people go from D to Constipation here with UC. I never get Constipation so when it is so solid it is slow I know it is a huge step in the right direction.

Unfortunately I also brought home memory aid supplement bacopa monnieri and reviews are overwhelmingly complaining about having to stop due to D. I did not get any D but I got 1=The rope, 2=More Rope, 3=Solid no rope this morning. My hope is that as the bacopa monnieri gets out of my system I can get back to greatness.

How did I know to try this ?

2 boxes of fresh cookies from Sprouts Farmers market / Natural Grocers were delicious
Box A = Palm Oil Palm Kernel Oil
Box B = Palm Oil Palm Kernel Oil Oats

So I bought a couple containers of Red Palm Oil but no magic. One box resulted in near perfect waste despite all of the sugar however I could not continue eating them for therapeutic effect with ever increasing waste-line so my eyes went back to that other ingredient MOLD INHIBITOR potassium sorbate which was in the box with results not seen in the more 'healthy' box of cookies.

This had to be it. I ordered but it went to old address and I gave up and ordered again overnight. I put tip of knife into large bag of pellets and into a drink 3 times yesterday.

I also stopped sulfasalazine/MSM/curcumin.

bacopa monnieri is OUT
potassium sorbate IN
sulfasalazine/MSM/curcumin returning until rope twists are back

I also dropped sulfasalazine enteric coated from GI because just 2 days ago I had a bad reaction but might have been some junk protein bars I over ate.

Trying to control for potassium sorbate now and get consistent hard rope-like waste.

There are lots of Beta-glucan supplements out there and I will put that on my list once this test is complete to try next.

Thanks
Posted 9/20/2015 12:04 PM (GMT 0)
"you would think that after all these years they would know more if fungus was causal."

That is the surprising thing making me think I am not the average UC patient or something. I like the idea of taking something to go after the root cause or a root weakness rather than piling on supplements to mediate the resulting inflammation.

My eyes first saw MOLD INHIBITOR but there was so much negative information on the web about it burning the skin and being a 'chemical' I went for the Palm Oil first. Well given the foods available to us in the first 1 world we need a chemical mold inhibitor to balance it out.

Because it can also wipe out some bacteria I have restarted once daily VSL#3DS hours after a dose to encourage re-population of the good bacteria - my guess is the molds produce chemicals that make good bacteria shy away. Kill them off and possibly some friendlies then apply VSL#3DS to encourage the right ones again.
Posted 9/20/2015 2:14 PM (GMT 0)
aguywithuc -

Palm kernel oil appears to be more therapeutic for me than red palm oil. My bowels normalize anytime I eat something with palm oil in it, but not red palm oil, which is a little confusing.

A year ago, I expected to be in hell after eating milk-chocolate coated macadamia nuts from costco, but my bowels were actually much better the following day. I realized it was the palm kernel oil + milk powder combo. It's like the ultimate recovery food for me. I guess it has something to do with vitamin E.

I have looked into palm shortening from tropical traditions, as it appears to be the closest thing. I will try to make my own recipes with it.

Edit: Palm kernel and palm shortening are different. I believe palm kernel is from the seed of the fruit and shortening is from the plant. Here is a picture explaining the difference.

Post Edited (Guardian7) : 9/20/2015 8:40:36 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/20/2015 7:37 PM (GMT 0)
Guardian7 -

I am trying really hard to not buy more boxes of those fresh cookies with both ingredients. Zillions of calories.

Right now I have for a third day in a row strode passed the fresh cookie table and taken home all natural roasted whole chicken in simple brine. Love it and so does gut.

I would really like to make those cookies with less sugar, beta glucan and the correct palm kernel oil - so let me know when you find a source that is confirmed to agree with your gut and I will also do same.

Thanks
Posted 9/20/2015 11:41 PM (GMT 0)
I spent some time researching palm kernel oil after my post, and started comparing the fatty acid composition of it to some of the other oils.

I said before it was the vitamin E content that helped me, but that was incorrect as the kernel oil is relatively low in it. It is the lauric acid content that separates palm kernel oil from the rest. The only other rich source rich in it is coconut oil/milk, which also helped me greatly. I think there is a correlation there.

I would give coconut milk a shot if you can. I get this brand and drink 3-4 ounces everyday. I've noticed great results with it as of late. Stores sell it for 2.60 a piece, so it's probably cheaper. I think palm kernel will yield the same as I try it.

As far as food grade palm kernel oil, this is the only one I've found. I will look out for more. Not sure if I will get it if coconut milk does the same thing.

Hope this helps! Let me know what you think.
Posted 9/21/2015 11:02 AM (GMT 0)
Q: Is this oil of edible grade?

A: The label says 100% pure organic. But I don't know if people use palm kernel oil for cooking food. I use it in making scrubs and lotions. Sorry I can't be more help as I pretty much just use olive oil and butter for consumption.

Hard to say. Sprouts was no help because the cookie dough is made at central and shipped to local stores where all they do is bake and box.

This reminds me of the guys work that showed high-oleic oil 20 mins before eating put the digestive brake on yet I could never find high-oleic oil ( food grade ).

This mornings report :

Been 24 hours since last BM and all I ate was a whole chicken from Sprouts, 4 kiwi, 2 oranges buttered toast a bit of honey and about 10 energy drinks loaded with caffeine and sucralose. Frankly the BM was optional but time to get purged for the day. I used an energy drink plus advanced caffeine pills to wake up and get the bowels moving. Even after that it was optional. 1 month ago it was fairly urgent 1st thing in the am.

Compact clay like large diameter not as ropy but had cracks and did not dispsure when using the power flush I installed into my folks place like it normally does.

Of course the whole chicken is helping here but so is the Potassium Sorbate, this is as close to how I was pre-UC as I have ever been. Going to continue to avoid carbs and take 2 PS doses daily, amount = to loading the tip of a butter knife with granules.

What breads do you use with barley malt ? I want to ditch udis gluten free.
Posted 9/21/2015 5:58 PM (GMT 0)
aguywithuc -

1) Most enriched store white breads seem to have malted barley flour. I would get the organic variety, as they seem to have less additives. I get the nature's promise brand from giant.

2) That palm kernel oil I linked is indeed edible, since people have mentioned cooking with it in reviews. The only difficult part is getting it out of the container.

Best.
Posted 9/21/2015 7:17 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks I will get moving on both.
Posted 9/22/2015 6:50 PM (GMT 0)
List of fatty acids and their compositions. Scroll down to the near bottom to see the table.

The only other oil similar in composition to palm kernel oil is coconut oil, which leads me to believe that the same results can be obtained from coconut oil or milk. Like palm kernel oil, the lauric acid seems to be the defining property of coconut oil. In my n=1 analysis, I respond almost as favorably to coconut milk.

I noticed this when I started eating these coconut crisps and had a strong detox effect the following day. It is rich in coconut milk.

The other item with palm kernel oil that I responded favorably to were these macadamia clusters.

Despite the high sugar content, my bms were more solid the next day. Almost felt like instantaneous healing.

I have no doubt that it was the palm kernel and coconut oil.

Post Edited (Guardian7) : 9/22/2015 12:54:15 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/22/2015 11:06 PM (GMT 0)

Guardian7 said...
List of fatty acids and their compositions. Scroll down to the near bottom to see the table.

The only other oil similar in composition to palm kernel oil is coconut oil, which leads me to believe that the same results can be obtained from coconut oil or milk. Like palm kernel oil, the lauric acid seems to be the defining property of coconut oil. In my n=1 analysis, I respond almost as favorably to coconut milk.

I noticed this when I started eating these coconut crisps and had a strong detox effect the following day. It is rich in coconut milk.

The other item with palm kernel oil that I responded favorably to were these macadamia clusters.

Despite the high sugar content, my bms were more solid the next day. Almost felt like instantaneous healing.

I have no doubt that it was the palm kernel and coconut oil.

I enjoyed travelling to Hawaii 20 times in my youth. The blood thinning pineapple protein enzyme bromelain is always in my kitchen. I drink coconut water all the time. Now I have palm oil.

However despite loving coconut and coconut oil it results in D so I only have a small amount in shakes for flavor.

I got the bread yesterday with potato starch and malted barley flour and that agrees with me. Now I need to get the right palm kernel oil just like in those cookies that work so well so I can make healthy cookies with almost no sugar and more protein.

Thanks
Posted 9/23/2015 2:33 AM (GMT 0)

aguywithuc said...

Guardian7 said...
List of fatty acids and their compositions. Scroll down to the near bottom to see the table.

The only other oil similar in composition to palm kernel oil is coconut oil, which leads me to believe that the same results can be obtained from coconut oil or milk. Like palm kernel oil, the lauric acid seems to be the defining property of coconut oil. In my n=1 analysis, I respond almost as favorably to coconut milk.

I noticed this when I started eating these coconut crisps and had a strong detox effect the following day. It is rich in coconut milk.

The other item with palm kernel oil that I responded favorably to were these macadamia clusters.

Despite the high sugar content, my bms were more solid the next day. Almost felt like instantaneous healing.

I have no doubt that it was the palm kernel and coconut oil.

I enjoyed travelling to Hawaii 20 times in my youth. The blood thinning pineapple protein enzyme bromelain is always in my kitchen. I drink coconut water all the time. Now I have palm oil.

However despite loving coconut and coconut oil it results in D so I only have a small amount in shakes for flavor.

I got the bread yesterday with potato starch and malted barley flour and that agrees with me. Now I need to get the right palm kernel oil just like in those cookies that work so well so I can make healthy cookies with almost no sugar and more protein.

Thanks

Yes... coconut oil is a potent antibacterial. I don't doubt it can cause d.

I'll try out palm kernel oil as well.

How do you make cookies?
Posted 9/23/2015 3:54 PM (GMT 0)

Guardian7 said...

Yes... coconut oil is a potent antibacterial. I don't doubt it can cause d.

I'll try out palm kernel oil as well.

How do you make cookies?

I have a screen shot of the ingredients from Sprouts cookie box but need to hang it on photobucket or something. Can't wait to get in our new house and really do some cooking. Just went to Denver yesterday to select the granite slabs for the kitchen and it will have a big window right in front of stove for natural lighting so it will be cool to make healthy food there while it is the last thing I feel like doing where we are living now. But at least I am accumulating UC healthy habits in the mean time.
Posted 9/23/2015 11:36 PM (GMT 0)

aguywithuc said...

Guardian7 said...

Yes... coconut oil is a potent antibacterial. I don't doubt it can cause d.

I'll try out palm kernel oil as well.

How do you make cookies?

I have a screen shot of the ingredients from Sprouts cookie box but need to hang it on photobucket or something. Can't wait to get in our new house and really do some cooking. Just went to Denver yesterday to select the granite slabs for the kitchen and it will have a big window right in front of stove for natural lighting so it will be cool to make healthy food there while it is the last thing I feel like doing where we are living now. But at least I am accumulating UC healthy habits in the mean time.

That sounds good. Nothing like cooking meals from scratch. Just feels healthier to me.

Imgur is better for posting pictures fyi.
Posted 9/24/2015 2:48 PM (GMT 0)

Guardian7 said...

aguywithuc said...

Guardian7 said...

Yes... coconut oil is a potent antibacterial. I don't doubt it can cause d.

I'll try out palm kernel oil as well.

How do you make cookies?

I have a screen shot of the ingredients from Sprouts cookie box but need to hang it on photobucket or something. Can't wait to get in our new house and really do some cooking. Just went to Denver yesterday to select the granite slabs for the kitchen and it will have a big window right in front of stove for natural lighting so it will be cool to make healthy food there while it is the last thing I feel like doing where we are living now. But at least I am accumulating UC healthy habits in the mean time.

That sounds good. Nothing like cooking meals from scratch. Just feels healthier to me.

Imgur is better for posting pictures fyi.

Ugh - was up all night due to On-Call pages will work on this over weekend.

I have to say the malted barley flour breads are GREAT, I stopped UDI's and it seems there are 3 things working tremendously well together :

1. Potassium Sorbate ( very little none today I think you can easily over do this ) VSL3DS 12 hours later
2. MSM 1 spoonful per morning
3. malted barley flour breads

...and an otherwise high-protein diet

That is a powerful combo or I am just getting lucky - as always time will tell.

Post Edited (aguywithuc) : 9/24/2015 8:58:57 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/24/2015 3:18 PM (GMT 0)
Do you think beta glucans were one of the root causes for germinated barley food's success in treatment of IBD? See https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=2278937

Sorry to interrupt the cookie recipe talk :)
Posted 9/24/2015 5:01 PM (GMT 0)

zengrrl said...
Do you think beta glucans were one of the root causes for germinated barley food's success in treatment of IBD? See https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=2278937

Sorry to interrupt the cookie recipe talk :)

I would think so.

There was a user here (enfyre) who entered med-free remission with just GBF and fatty salmon (omega-3). I don't believe he posts here anymore, though he gave detailed instructions on how to make germinated barley foodstuff in a thread. I can't seem to find it and enfyre's posts have been deleted for some reason.
Posted 9/25/2015 1:46 PM (GMT 0)
I bought GBF from a Japanes beer maker, tried it as a hot tea and was only continuing to get worse.

Now using potato bread with Malted Barley flour I continue to get better.

Ashwaganda at night ( makes no sense it is calming but studies show it reduces coritisol by 30% )
MSM ( ooops forgot to take spoonful this morning but have a jar at office )
Potassium Sorbate ( got me here and have stopped until things go backwards then apply it again )
Pea protein powder no whey ( Reward )

I even had donuts at the office yesterday and still went 24 hours until morning BM which was just like it was Pre-UC ( never said that before )

I hope the good luck continues but really REALLY like the bread probably ate most of the loaf I brought home yesterday which is why I bought two loafs.
Posted 9/25/2015 3:08 PM (GMT 0)

aguywithuc said...
I bought GBF from a Japanes beer maker, tried it as a hot tea and was only continuing to get worse.

Now using potato bread with Malted Barley flour I continue to get better.

Ashwaganda at night ( makes no sense it is calming but studies show it reduces coritisol by 30% )
MSM ( ooops forgot to take spoonful this morning but have a jar at office )
Potassium Sorbate ( got me here and have stopped until things go backwards then apply it again )
Pea protein powder no whey ( Reward )

I even had donuts at the office yesterday and still went 24 hours until morning BM which was just like it was Pre-UC ( never said that before )

I hope the good luck continues but really REALLY like the bread probably ate most of the loaf I brought home yesterday which is why I bought two loafs.

That's good to hear. What are all the ingredients in the bread and what brand is it?
Posted 9/25/2015 3:36 PM (GMT 0)

Guardian7 said...

aguywithuc said...
I bought GBF from a Japanes beer maker, tried it as a hot tea and was only continuing to get worse.

Now using potato bread with Malted Barley flour I continue to get better.

Ashwaganda at night ( makes no sense it is calming but studies show it reduces coritisol by 30% )
MSM ( ooops forgot to take spoonful this morning but have a jar at office )
Potassium Sorbate ( got me here and have stopped until things go backwards then apply it again )
Pea protein powder no whey ( Reward )

I even had donuts at the office yesterday and still went 24 hours until morning BM which was just like it was Pre-UC ( never said that before )

I hope the good luck continues but really REALLY like the bread probably ate most of the loaf I brought home yesterday which is why I bought two loafs.

That's good to hear. What are all the ingredients in the bread and what brand is it?

It is really hard to stop eating it, of course there is some sugar in it thats why it tastes like cake but has a fuller flavor than just 'sweet'.

First I left out 2 important things :

Ashwaganda at night ( makes no sense it is calming but studies show it reduces coritisol by 30% )
MSM ( ooops forgot to take spoonful this morning but have a jar at office )
Potassium Sorbate ( got me here and have stopped until things go backwards then apply it again for 3 days )
Pea protein powder no whey ( Reward )
12 small Pysllium Seed ( Pseed ) capsules
VLS3 only if I was just taking antimicrobial anti fungal Potassium Sorbate 12 hours earlier
Only bread I now consume is potato malted barley flour bread and it is hard to stop eating it


www.oroweat.com/products/sliced-breads/country/country-potato

Country Potato: Ingredients

UNBLEACHED ENRICHED FLOUR [WHEAT FLOUR, MALTED BARLEY FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMIN MONONITRATE (VITAMIN B1), RIBOFLAVIN (VITAMIN B2), FOLIC ACID], WATER, SUGAR, POTATO FLOUR, SOYBEAN OIL, YEAST, SALT, MONO- AND DIGLYCERIDES, CALCIUM PROPIONATE (PRESERVATIVE), DATEM, CORN FLOUR, CALCIUM SULFATE, MONOCALCIUM PHOSPHATE, CITRIC ACID, ANNATTO AND TURMERIC, SOY LECITHIN.
Posted 9/29/2015 2:42 AM (GMT 0)
I withdraw my endorsement for the orawheat country-potato it was so good my daughter said it was like eating cake and eat it I did about 1 loaf per day until I realized its simply too addictive.

Going with a sourdough now.

I learned more about Potassium Sorbate. After 3 days to perfection I dropped 1-2-3 above and that does not work, now back on all 3 and it is once again working. So whatever Potassium Sorbate kills 3 days is not enough to kill it off completely and MSM is a pretty powerful addition. I plan to try every other day as I do not wish to take it daily unless that works out the best.

Ashwaganda nightly works to relax me and evidence shows it improves brain neurons but the reason it reduces cortisol by 30% might be because it first reduces TNF inflammation which requires less cortisol.
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