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garylouisville
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Posted 10/2/2015 4:41 AM (GMT 0)
I have had Restless Leg Syndrome for over 40 years but it has really gotten bad over the last six months. Tried a few different natural treatments including Magnesium supplements, to no avail. Just recently had Magnesium level checked and the results were in the normal range.
Took the plunge last night with generic Requip (Ropinirole). Didn't know it but the doc started me out at max dose and it gave me some major side effects. Almost went to the ER until I realized it was just the med's side effects. The med did work very well for the RLS and now I have a new prescript
ion for a much smaller dose where I am supposed to taper up to the dose that works best.
Anyway, I discovered that it not only worked for my restless legs but my restless colon as well. I had been going three times in the mornings and then not any more until the next morning for a long time now but today I have only gone one time, a very obvious difference. I have taken Bentyl and Levsin before for restless colon but they didn't do much, if anything, for me. I have searched this site and the internet on this med in relation to UC but have found very little. I can't help but think others might also have some success in taking this med for restless colon as well. Any thoughts?
Charlie3
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Posted 10/2/2015 7:14 PM (GMT 0)
I also have restless leg syndrome
I takeHylands Leg Cramps PM works every time especially in the middle of the night
We don't need this on top of UC!
notsosicklygirl
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Posted 10/2/2015 10:27 PM (GMT 0)
That would be nice if this were the key to you being a one time a dayer :) we all want the coveted 1x a day!!
toomuchpoopin
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Posted 10/2/2015 10:33 PM (GMT 0)
Keep us posted please, you might be on to something!!!
garylouisville
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Posted 10/3/2015 12:53 AM (GMT 0)
I also tried Hyland's but it only worked slightly, not enough. One search I didn't do is for the med and IBS. I think I am on to something. Starting the much lower dose tonight. Only had two bm's today with no RLS med since that higher dose two days ago.
pb4
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Posted 10/3/2015 4:36 PM (GMT 0)
I don't have restless leg syndrome and can't imagine my GI would give me a script
(like you got for Requi) to treat my IBS....are you sure it's not just in the process of bunging you up in the colon? Since I have IBS-C I'd be scared to take anything that might bung me up...and what kind of side effects were you having that almost made you go to the ER?
garylouisville
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Posted 10/3/2015 7:47 PM (GMT 0)
Didn't recognize my symptoms as being med side effects right away. At first I developed a sore throat and thought I was coming down with something. Woke up at 4:30 in the morning sweating profusely and felt I had a temperature and was very nauseous. Too lazy to check temp so I took some tylenol, got better, and fell back asleep. Woke up around 7AM much worse, same symptoms, felt like my temp must have been about
105. Since I don't have a spleen all doctors have warned me to get to the ER right away if I had an uncontrollable temp. I actually know some spleenless people that did die in just a few days by not taking this seriously. Took temp, came out 96.3 and I'm thinking, "How can that be?". Then I started thinking of the med and looked up side effects and bingo!
I agree that with IBS-C it might be a little risky to attempt this as an IBS treatment but I can't help but think that an irritable bowel might possibly have some similarities to restless legs (I realize it is a bit of a stretch), especially when I took the med and my BM's decreased dramatically overnight. If a systemic med can cure out of control shaking legs, why couldn't it cure an out of control shaking colon? By the way, it is also a Parkinsons treatment to treat the uncontrolled shaking.
I did wonder if maybe the reason was just that the med might have stopped me up a little but since it was a few days ago but I can't say that I had any difference in stool other than the frequency. Also, if you didn't have IBS-C, then maybe even if it was helping stop you up, maybe that is a good thing? I also realize that most doctors would never write a script
for this med to treat IBS or IBD. I doubt I could have gotten my GI to do it. Then again, IBS was just an afterthought but maybe it could have some use for IBD. I have started a much, much lower dose now and so far I can report that it still seems to be cutting down my BM's.
pb4
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Posted 10/3/2015 8:22 PM (GMT 0)
Oh my!
And what happened to your spleen? why was is removed? Just curious.
I've never had restless leg syndrome, closest thing I've ever had was growing pains in my legs as a kid and they were killer, don't know if it's anything like that but I'm sure RLS sucks too.
I've actually been surfing the net a lot today and I'm planning to see my GP this week about
some things I've come across that seem to pertain to me. One of them being what's called, premenstrual dysphoric disorder which is a step worse than pms, and I fit it perfectly (sadly) but when I started reading about
it, it made perfect sense and one example is when I get annoyed with you lol, not trying to be a hag, just trying to explain what happens and you as well as some others are perfect examples so bear with me...I started keeping track of lots of things that go on with me 10 days prior to my menstrual cycle and that's when I get to be a hag with you and my hubby and even my son and although anyone can set me off (females too) it's men that really get under my skin but the point is, I get over the top angry over nothing that's worth getting angry about
...I still do the yoga and meditation which has helped but not effective enough and I think it's because of the stupid hormonal things that happen to me AND that just happens to be when my gut starts acting worse too, for example, I get really bent out of shape (due to the hormone changes) and my gut starts to feel way worse, once it's passed then everything calms down to a point that is much more livable for me and those around me lol. I'm also going to ask my family doc about
doing a SIBO test on me because I think that may be an issue as well but I'm not sure so I want to get tested and see where that leads.
Yes, I don't think any doc would RX that to anyone unless they are suffering with RLS, who knows though, maybe in the future they'll discover it as a cross over drug for gut issues too...glad you've found some help with it and good that you seem to be over the side effects, that must have been scary for you.
garylouisville
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Posted 10/4/2015 12:57 AM (GMT 0)
25 years ago I came down with ITP (apparently now called ATP). It is an autoimmune disease where your immune system manufactures antibodies to attack and kill the platelets in your blood. While many can live dangerously with this disease, it is much more fatal than IBD is if you can't successfully treat it. First they started me on prednisone at dosages of 80 mgs and I believe I was even at 100 mgs at one point. Pred never did one thing for it but imagine a discussion forum (I was actually top moderator there) where many are on doses of pred that make those here look like they are taking placebos. Things are tame here compared to that discussion forum where many were on very high dose pred.
Anyway, after pred did not work the next step at the time was surgery taking out the spleen. This didn't work for me either so I wound up spleenless for no reason. I began becoming my own doctor because I realized more and more that the medical profession doesn't know squat about
autoimmune diseases. I finally figured out a solution on my own that has kept me in a solid remission from ITP for 15 years now.
5 years ago I came down with UC and I already knew I couldn't count on the doctors. My GP had put me on oral mesalamine (Asacol) before I even had a GI appointment and still today the only prescript
ion I take for UC is oral mesalamine (Pentasa). The great progress I have made over these five years is due to my treatment plan. My GI has really had close to zero part in my progress. I don't have anything against medical options or doctors but they don't know what causes UC and don't know a cure, so what do they really know? I like to think I have an
open mind and consider both medical options and alternatives that are reasonable. You have been instrumental in me revising my thoughts regarding IBS to be somewhere between your position and my original position.
ushippedyourpants?
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Posted 10/4/2015 1:18 AM (GMT 0)
Hi garylouisville.
I was just wondering what your symptoms were from ITP ? If I remember correctly, I had a cousin many years ago that I think had it. She lived in another state so I don't recall exactly what her symptoms were, but I'm guessing they were mild. Apparently she just outgrew it.
Were your symptoms life threatening ?
Good for you taking control of your health !
pb4
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Posted 10/4/2015 2:12 AM (GMT 0)
Wow, that's brutal!! I agree though, I had many stupid GP tell me all I had was hemorrhoid's which were actually perianal crohn's skin tags, even though it's likely out of the ordinary to have CD present itself that way initially, it did in my case, I don't know why but it did and it's not my fault, I did everything to show all kinds of GP's these ridiculous looking lumps on my anus and when you're a teenager with no internet back in the mid 80's you've got no choice but to believe them all, even though they were all wrong...at my expense. And even when they got nasty and out of control and I started developing increased (still normal looking stools) frequency with no control all the sudden along with the anal tags getting nastier (in my early 20's) I was still being told they were just hemorrhoid's so I hear you loud and clear when it comes to terrible doctor service. And when you're desperate and in a lot of pain you'll agree to an emergency hemorrhoidectomy (banding them) in the hopes that hemmies is what they actually are and you just want agonizing pain to stop and still no internet in 1991-92 you'll sure pay the price for the lack of knowledge many docs out there have...and I know there have been plenty of worse things that have taken people's lives due to incompetent docs and surgeons but suffering is still suffering and everyone's suffering counts. Good for you on being so proactive with your health, I wish I could have been, sure would have saved me a lot of grief. Thanks, it doesn't help when you can't always put into words to describe IBS when it's so similar to IBD...but at the same time different... I still can't find the words to explain the difference completely but I have to say I'm so grateful that Humira has helped the way it has, I just wish I could get a handle and keep a grip on the stupid IBS because it's really super annoying....the crohn's colitis and RV fistula was painful and seriously debilitating, the IBS is just fricken annoying...there's one way I could think to describe the difference hahah!
Canada Mark
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Posted 10/4/2015 2:28 AM (GMT 0)
That's quite interesting Gary.
Nerve damage/altered nerve function is something that is associated with IBD and IBS as you are well aware.
I always forget to mention this when everyone argues about
IBS, but basically another way to look at the role in IBS type symptoms for those of us with Inflammatory Bowel Disease might be think about
nerves in general.... One thing stands out:
After damage they are SLOW to heal..
This is pretty common to all types of nerve damage. When we get IBD there is massive changes in the structure and damage to our intestinal tissues including the nerves (metric plexus). If the nerves are slow healing we might get the continual effects/symptoms of nerve damage for some time - i.e. poop more often/altered motility and so on.
So perhaps for some of us that do reach remission it just takes time to heal and get to that coveted 'one poop' kinda day...
Maybe you found a way to cheat to it and speed things up! Would be awesome for you if it holds.
Keep us posted.
Canada Mark
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Posted 10/4/2015 2:43 AM (GMT 0)
PS
"In November 2012, GlaxoSmithKline was ordered by a Rennes appeals court to pay Frenchman Didier Jambart 197,000 euros ($255,824); Jambart had taken ropinirole from 2003 to 2010 and exhibited risky hypersexual behavior and gambled excessively until stopping the Parkinson's treatment."
Don't go to Vegas !! And well... the wife might be happy though :)
garylouisville
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Posted 10/4/2015 12:30 PM (GMT 0)
Symptoms were easy and spontaneous bruising for no apparent reason and long bleeding times. The platelets in your blood are what stops the bleeding. Children can get the disease and sometimes outgrow it so it is possible that is what happened to your cousin. Some others can get what they call an acute case of low platelets which often resolves on it's own or after discontinuing something like a med that was responsible for the low counts. Others, like me, had the actual autoimmune version which is chronic like chronic IBD. Normal platelet counts are around 150,000 to 400,000. My count at diagnosis was 4,000. Anything under 50,000 is bad and anything under 25,000 is very serious. The platelet count from a blood test is a rough estimate and can be off by several thousand one way or the other, so, my count could have theoretically been near zero. At that time I had blood blisters forming inside my mouth just from chewing food. With counts under 50,000 and particularly under 25,000 you are at a very high risk of strokes or anneurisms or bleeding out just from a bad injury such as a large cut. A car or other accident such as just hitting your head on something could be fatal as could anytime your blood pressure rises such as heavy exercising or hollaring at someone. Anytime you have counts that low your life could end at any second, even though many live with counts that low for many years and never suffer a fatal event. In most cases you don't really notice that there is anything wrong with you (such as the everyday life that sucks with UC) and can live a fairly normal life, other than the knowledge that you literally could die at any time and really have to constantly take precautions that you don't have any kind of accidents. Treatments can bring your counts up to the safer range but, like UC, some just don't respond to treatments.
My current take on IBS is that there are certain people who get food poisoning which does nerve damage which gives them IBS. That's pretty much accepted by the medical profession now. Then there are those with IBD who also get diagnosed concurrently with IBS. For those IBD'rs that really do have IBS I believe it is because the colon inflammation which gave them IBD also inflamed the colon nerves, giving them IBS. Of course some IBD'rs could also get food poisoning and IBS from it. Nerves all over the body heal slowly and sometimes never heal so when you take IBD meds that put you into clinical remission your are still left with colon nerve damage, or IBS. I still believe that there are many IBD'rs diagnosed with IBS that was just a scapegoat diagnosis that their doctors pulled out of thin air, often with little thought process, other than they are stumped so they just decided to blame it on IBS. Since the nerve damage in IBS messes up the communication with the brain, making your colon "irritable", I believe that Requip might help with this process as it does with RLS or Parkinsons.
IamCurious
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Posted 10/4/2015 1:39 PM (GMT 0)
If for any reason you wish to discontinue Requip, (side effects or whatever), then you may want to search for a less drastic means to control the RLS. Apparently magnesium supplementation didn't work for you. Nice try though.
Coenzyme Q10 helps some people with RLS. Many are deficient especially those who take statins to control their cholesterol. Presumably with UC you get regular blood work. That should indicate if you have low iron levels which is another cause of RLS.
garylouisville
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Posted 10/4/2015 2:06 PM (GMT 0)
I just had a kazillion blood tests done and absolutely everything was in the normal range except the calcium level was like .2 higher than normal. I take a lot of rolaids type things. Tried a bunch of things over the years. Had something called q-vel many years ago which worked wonders but was taken off the market. Don't know why but it had Quinine in it and that is a risk factor for ITP. The requip is the first thing that has worked since then, out of several otc selections, although I never tried Coenzyme Q10.
imagardener2
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Posted 10/4/2015 3:24 PM (GMT 0)
Why would anyone take a chance in using an RX drug "off-label", meaning not studied for any use other than the one conducted? Just on a hunch? I know people use Botox for migraines but not something I'd do either, who knows what negative things might show up in 10 years use.
Restless Leg is one of the potential disorders 23andme says I have higher than normal probability for genetically. So far no signs of it. I wonder how many UC'ers have this genetic link too.
pb4
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Posted 10/4/2015 4:18 PM (GMT 0)
This is a pretty good link, don't think I've posted it, not even sure where I found it lol...
http://www.intech
open.com/books/the-amygdala-a-discrete-multitasking-manager/the-irritable-bowel-syndrome-how-stress-can-affect-the-amygdala-activity-and-the-brain-gut-axis
Talks about
post infectious IBS.
This link talks about
RSL and IBS/SIBO being related, not sure if you've ever come across this connection or not...I'd hate to end up with restless leg syndrome.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21570907
garylouisville
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Posted 10/4/2015 6:50 PM (GMT 0)
The last link was interesting in regard to RLS and IBS, which kind of blends in with my topic. That's why I was hoping you would have some input to this thread. It gives more credence to my theory that if RLS meds work for RLS and if RLS is connected to IBS, then maybe, just maybe, RLS meds might work on IBS and maybe even vice versa. I'm not sure how IBD fits into this.
I don't think you would have to worry about
how the med would effect you 10 years down the road because it is a well studied drug which has gotten to the point where generics are available and probably millions of people have taken it for RLS or Parkinsons for at least 10 years. It does come with many possible side effects in apparently many people, including me, so having side effects would not really be a mystery outcome. I think the only thing you would have to worry about
(especially in IBS-C) would be any negative consequences due to the drug for your particular condition, whether it be IBS or IBD, as the general side effects of the drug are well known anyway.
As far as I go, I guess I am kind of the guinea pig for this, having fallen into this by fate or luck, or whatever you want to call it. That first night I took the 4mg version and had those bad side effects while concurrently noticing an overnight huge improvement in my UC or possible IBS. The next night I took no med at all and had another great day, both RLS wise and UC wise. The third night I started taking my new script
for .25 mg pills instead of the 4 mg. Still have very minor side effects even at that dose and I have noticed my UC frequency started to slide backwards a little, although it is currently still better than before starting the Ropinirole. I plan to continue with the .25 mg dose for at least several more days. I was supposed to start at .5 mgs tonight but am holding off because so far the smallest dose seems to be working for my RLS and since I do have very minor side effects, even on that dose, I don't see the need to increase the dosage unless my RLS starts to return. Supposedly many people that encounter short term side effects have them subside as your body gets more used to the med. I'll try to keep everyone up to speed.
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