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Posted 10/9/2015 5:51 PM (GMT 0)
Well it's been a couple months and I wanted to come back with an update.

I took the full recommended dose for about a month consisting of

3xIsatis Cooling, 2xFlavonex, and 2xRF Plus 3x daily (21 pills/day)

It made all my symptoms go away and I have been regular for well over a month now.  Actually more regular than beofre I got sick (Before I got colitis I would go to the bathroom maybe once every 2 or 3 days, now I go about once, sometimes twice daily).  After taking the full dose for about a month I noticed things actually seemed to be going backwards for a little bit, then one day I didn't take them at all and things got better.  Since then I've taking one dose each day (7 pills) and then tapered down to one dose every few days and I am still having no symptoms.  This is without taking any other medication/supplements or following any kind of diet! In fact my diet has been pretty terrible with tons of coffee and other things that used to kill me! If this continues through October this will be the longest I've ever been symptom free in I don't know how many years.

With everything else I've ever tried over the past 7 years (minus the far too expensive Chinese herbal tea) I always felt like I was just barely teetering on the edge..just well enough to function.  With this my symptoms are completely gone.  With the tapered down dosage it only costs me around $50/month.

One "down-side" if you want to call it that is I'm finally gaining weight again :P.  A couple months ago I was around 155 (I am 5'11 so this is really too thin!) and the other day I weighed in at 168!  I'm sure I'm well into the 170's now.

Posted 10/9/2015 6:41 PM (GMT 0)
That sounds great what is the source literature for this treatment plan ?
Posted 10/9/2015 7:05 PM (GMT 0)
That's great! My advice is not to get too cocky and wind up back at square one.
Posted 10/19/2015 8:47 PM (GMT 0)
aguywithuc,

OK I have a feeling you're going to rip on me but I'm going to just be honest. The first time I heard about this was right here on this forum, then I just read the amazon reviews and Dr. Google and decided "why not?". I trusted chinese medicine after seeing what it did for me in the past, but just could not afford the tea that was being prepared for me (not to mention I was wasting away with the diet that was paired with it..I'm 5'11" and got down to 138!). I'm going on 2 months now of feeling good, being regular..and gaining weight, and I promised my wife I'd go get probed one more time to see how the ol' colon is looking because until then it's just witchcraft to everyone else.


Gary, you are definitely right I do need to eat better regardless!

OK..I really didn't intend this to end up being it's own thread..I thought I was replying to another thread..but oh well..if it can save someone else from 7 years of misery it's worth it..

Post Edited (dlvonde) : 10/19/2015 3:19:58 PM GMT

Posted 10/19/2015 10:28 PM (GMT 0)
Do you have shares in the company? That stuff is poisen. I'm pretty sure all the reviews on there are fake as well. Istasis cooling I mean, not the other stuff you have listed.
Posted 10/20/2015 12:12 AM (GMT 0)
I understand you are frustrated after 16 years with no relief, but taking it out on my thread is unacceptable.

Why have you chosen this thread to lash out at me when this regimen has been discussed in many other threads on this site? Where is your warning on Amazon about the product? Oh, yeah..almost forgot..where is your proof?
Posted 10/20/2015 12:53 AM (GMT 0)
Lol 6 posts is just sometimes a sign of someone pushing stuff. When I tried that stuff it was horrible made me soooooo sick. When you read all those reviews seems like someone wrote them all just seems off to me.
Posted 10/20/2015 3:29 AM (GMT 0)
I can understand your skepticism and if it makes you feel any better, here's the thread where I first heard about it and began asking questions:

https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=3441187

In that thread I mention that I actually tried it years ago and the next morning I was REALLY sick. I kept it in my medicine cabinet too scared to use it. But when desperate times came I decided I really didn't know what all factors caused me to get terribly sick and maybe it WASN'T the Isatis cooling that did it. So with no small amount of hesitation I started trying it in conjunction with the other 2 products mentioned and this time I saw great improvement. From then on to today, yes I sound like a salesman! I don't want to say it's the magic bullet as I've been let down many times before, and I no longer think I'm just going to stop taking anything one day and be all right..but this has been THE BEST thing for me in the years I've has this problem. My sister in law just found out last Friday she has UC and started asking me this morning about it as they know I've been real sick for a long time and I'm going to recommend this to her as well. It might not work, but if it does and I can save her years of hurt I will. I will also remind her often that I did :). It won't work for everybody or maybe even not for most..because colitis is the name of a symptom and not the actual problem. I just know I spent years suffering, perhaps needlessly had I stumbled across this under different circumstances.
Posted 10/20/2015 5:05 AM (GMT 0)
Well if that's the case then that's really good, I just tried it 2x and was soooooo sick scared to ever go on it again, but maybe paired with the other stuff is key?
Posted 10/20/2015 3:03 PM (GMT 0)

dlvonde said...
aguywithuc,

OK I have a feeling you're going to rip on me but I'm going to just be honest. The first time I heard about this was right here on this forum, then I just read the amazon reviews and Dr. Google and decided "why not?". I trusted chinese medicine after seeing what it did for me in the past, but just could not afford the tea that was being prepared for me (not to mention I was wasting away with the diet that was paired with it..I'm 5'11" and got down to 138!). I'm going on 2 months now of feeling good, being regular..and gaining weight, and I promised my wife I'd go get probed one more time to see how the ol' colon is looking because until then it's just witchcraft to everyone else.
Gary, you are definitely right I do need to eat better regardless!

OK..I really didn't intend this to end up being it's own thread..I thought I was replying to another thread..but oh well..if it can save someone else from 7 years of misery it's worth it..

I dont think I would rip on you unless it was really whacko. Hey I have tried desert clay, nopal leaves, every supplement sold by amazon and 99% was a waste of money and time BUT I found some gems like Pysllium Seed, Qing Dai, Potassium Sorbate, Ashwaghanda, Sulfasalazine and MSM. The result is I just had the best labs in 10 years of recording them, pages and pages of everything 'in-range' my RBC is actually rising for once and my platelet count is not north of 700 but a safe 250 - another personal best :)

It was worth experimenting, more power to you, I just wanted the info so I could decide if I need to try it too !
Posted 10/20/2015 6:32 PM (GMT 0)
From what I have seen Qing Dai is one of the ingredients in Isatis Cooling, actually I believe another word for Qing Dai is "Isatis"...and many believe it is THE ingredient that really helps.

VerM,  I know when I am flaring things that normally wouldn't bother me can cause me terrible pain.  I don't know if this is the case in your scenario or if it just isn't going to be effective for you. 

I would suggest trying it when you feel OK, unless of course you WERE feeling OK the last time you tried it and it made you sick. 

I wish I knew the answer and I wish it were a silver bullet for everyone, but if it was we'd all be taking it I guess confused .

Right before I started the isatis cooling regimen I took a round of oil of oregano pills and started to feel better, but just like every other product I ever tried before, I would see immediate improvement for a few days, only to go right back downhill in a week or 2.  Something is definitely different this time.  Will it last forever?  I cannot say.  If I am to believe the reviews I read online some have been taking for 10-15 years and it has kept their symptoms at bay.  Again, I'm not interested so much in what it did for them as I am in what it will do for me!  Time will tell...

Post Edited (dlvonde) : 10/20/2015 12:39:43 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/20/2015 6:45 PM (GMT 0)

dlvonde said...
oregano pills

Yeah they messed me up.

Potassium Sorbate also crushes mold etc and it is fantastic but I am learning that too much begins to harm the good bacteria so finding the most effective minimum dose.
Posted 12/10/2015 3:14 AM (GMT 0)
I'm 5 months in now and I've gained 30 pounds since July! Which is good..but..I'm facing a dilemma I haven't had to worry about for a long time...not gaining TOO much weight. I take a single dose (3 isatis cooling, 2 flavonex, 2 RF plus) around once per week now, sometimes twice...not because of any symptoms, just whenever I think to take it..
Posted 7/3/2017 2:15 AM (GMT 0)
I know this is an old thread. I started taking Istasis one month ago, a few days before I finally weaned off my last round prednisone. I know coming off prednisone a very iffy time - for me....lasting at least 3 weeks.

First week, symptoms better - blood disappeared, some tissue still, felt like more BMS a day
Second week...formed BM's...still 4-5 a day - who cares? Now I'm way off prednisone
Third week....perfect, beautiful BM's - symptom free.

Out of blue - I'd say exactly 3 weeks after being off prednisone...yesterday I got soooo sick...severe,painful cramping, had to leave work....major diarrhea all day- if drank few sips of something killed this one place in my gut...daughter calls 911 cause going to bathroom I'm falling down, blacking out. Hospital, 4 things of hydration, a 5th of potassium....now home scratching my head. Still severe pain when any liquid. But taking imodium....so no diarrhea .

Did I take too much (prescribed dose 9 pills a day)? Def. taking a break. Could have been bad bacteria in some homemade yogurt I'd made and eaten two nights in a row, but doubt it as its that 3 weeks after getting off prednisone.

But I'm not chunking it...those symptom 3 weeks were the best I have seen. There is something to this.
Posted 7/3/2017 2:31 AM (GMT 0)

nourse said...
I know this is an old thread. I started taking Istasis one month ago, a few days before I finally weaned off my last round prednisone. I know coming off prednisone a very iffy time - for me....lasting at least 3 weeks.

First week, symptoms better - blood disappeared, some tissue still, felt like more BMS a day
Second week...formed BM's...still 4-5 a day - who cares? Now I'm way off prednisone
Third week....perfect, beautiful BM's - symptom free.

Out of blue - I'd say exactly 3 weeks after being off prednisone...yesterday I got soooo sick...severe,painful cramping, had to leave work....major diarrhea all day- if drank few sips of something killed this one place in my gut...daughter calls 911 cause going to bathroom I'm falling down, blacking out. Hospital, 4 things of hydration, a 5th of potassium....now home scratching my head. Still severe pain when any liquid. But taking imodium....so no diarrhea .

Did I take too much (prescribed dose 9 pills a day)? Def. taking a break. Could have been bad bacteria in some homemade yogurt I'd made and eaten two nights in a row, but doubt it as its that 3 weeks after getting off prednisone.

But I'm not chunking it...those symptom 3 weeks were the best I have seen. There is something to this.

Is it possible that all the things you thought were caused by the istastis cooler were actually just the prednisone? Then it wore off and you're back at square one? I hope not, but is there any reason to believe otherwise?
Posted 7/20/2017 5:06 PM (GMT 0)
hello everybody. I saw there was some recent activity on this thread.

I know when I took it the first month there was a time when things seemed to be going backwards...not nearly as backwards as what nourse mentioned, however!

I just stopped taking it for a day or so, then went back to it at a lower dose.

This is what's so frustrating about this problem, there are some things that might do wonders for your gut, but when they are extremely inflamed (because of who knows what) it seems like almost nothing cuts through.

I know in the past many years ago when I was flaring really bad a mixture of warm water, turmeric powder, and slippery elm bark powder was the only thing that would start to bring me back.

Sorry to hear about your setback and hope you start moving again in the right direction.

I have barely been taking the Isatis Cooling/Flavonex/RF Plus as of late but do make a "golden milk" occassionally which consists of turmeric powder, milk, ginger, pepper, etc.

I've also become too fluffy at almost 190lb. time to cut back!
Posted 8/2/2017 6:24 PM (GMT 0)
Dlvonde, my 14 year old daughter is having a similar experience as you. Started taking Isatis Cooling 3tabs, Flavonex 2tabs and RF Plus 2tabs-3 times a day. It took care of all her symptoms within the first week and she was doing good for 1 month. Now for 3 days she is having some diarrhea and cramping come back. Would you suggest to stop the herbs for a day or two? Or maybe increase?

Thanks in advance.
Posted 8/7/2017 5:14 PM (GMT 0)
I just took only one , just to see if I would be okay . It's been an hour, so after dinner and on Empty stomach I might take two.
Posted 8/7/2017 5:45 PM (GMT 0)
Therearemiraes, I am glad you decided to give it a shot. That is how I gave it to my daughter at first. One, then 2 and then 3. Please keep us posted. If it works you should see the improvement within the first week.
Posted 8/7/2017 6:06 PM (GMT 0)
THank you for writing!!is your daughter in remission ? I just went out to grab some items from store and feel fine. Anxiety over smile I will post in a few days. Thank you again!
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