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Electricianw/UC
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Posted 6/5/2017 3:46 PM (GMT 0)
So im back from a 1 day stay at hospital. Getting started on a pred taper and in 2 weeks will be going back to my GI to discuss getting started on a stronger medicine.
This morning I have been doing alot of research on the SCD diet and me and ny wife agreed on ordering the book. After she looked at the intro diet she got really mad, shes very opposed to me eating so much meat and the intro diet revolves around alot of it. I have got to try something new though, for 4 years ive eaten a very strict plant based diet with decent results but it was never quite enough to keep me undercontrol. I could tell something kept irritating my colon. I hope this isnt a bad decession but with my wife so oppossed it really has me worried.. any advice?
TroubledTurds
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Posted 6/5/2017 5:13 PM (GMT 0)
just my opinion, but sounds like your wife is irritating your colon -
have you determined whether gluten is a problem or not ? cuz if you do have any issues with it, the best thing to do is complete elimination -
quincy
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Posted 6/5/2017 5:28 PM (GMT 0)
Your wife isn't in control of your health, and obviously, not eating a lot of meat hasn't helped prevent you from getting UC.
The benefits of meat isn't imagined.
One thing I will suggest is that you get on rectal meds.
q
Electricianw/UC
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Posted 6/5/2017 9:17 PM (GMT 0)
Lol troubled turds, this disease is also rough on her and she gets a little overwheelmed sometimes. Thats one thing about
marrying a latino, its not hard to get them upset and their emotions go wild especially when you say you gotta give up rice which is a part of their daily diet, I was strictly no gluten for a long time but slowly eased back into it, probably wasnt the best idea.
And yeah quincy I asked them about
getting some rowasa enemas but she said where my recent CT scan showed my inflamation in my transverse colon that the enemascant reach that far wouldnt help that much. I will be starting Ucerus soon along with my lialda regimen to see if that will keep things undercontrol, we got it approved thru insurance today.
TroubledTurds
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Posted 6/5/2017 9:35 PM (GMT 0)
well of course no one is suggesting she give up rice - that'd be just plain crazy talk !
so tell more about
the gluten reintroduction ...............
notsosicklygirl
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Posted 6/6/2017 12:35 AM (GMT 0)
I think it's funny that she has that much control over your diet. I personally wouldn't expect any miraculous results with diet, but it's definitely worth trying. If you don't try, you will always wonder if that diet may have been the key to your health improving - and worse would be if you blame her for making it difficult.
What's the big deal really? You try it for a few weeks or months, and if it works, you keep what works and discontinue what doesn't work. Does she have to prepare everything for you? If I had to make the meals for someone, I wouldn't want to be bothered either. I did it for myself because I wanted to, but I certainly didn't expect my boyfriend to prepare, buy, or eat the food I was eating. He kept eating whatever he wanted. That's the great thing about
being two individual people, she can do what she wants, and you can do what you want! If you want to do something, make it happen. If you wait for her permission, blessing, or assistance, you will likely not get to try the diet, and that would be no ones fault but your own. She has no reason to eat or cook that way - often it's a waste of time regardless. I wasted a lot of money on ingredients/books, and time preparing not very exciting meals, and eating less than nutritious, low calorie and enjoyable food and had no success at all. Other's claim to do better.
momto2boys
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Posted 6/6/2017 12:53 AM (GMT 0)
I was vegan when I developed UC. The biggest reason I haven't given SCD a go is that I cannot imagine giving up rice and beans. My gut loves them and my husband is cuban/puerto rican and he does the bulk of our dinner cooking. However, every time I flare, I think I should give SCD a go, but I never do. Some people have had great luck with it, but if you are trying to make a change, get rid of gluten and dairy first. I added meat back into my diet and it helped, but i struggle with red meat. Sometimes I eat it and feel ok and other times it goes through me screaming all the way through!
Jayhawk85
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Posted 6/6/2017 1:03 AM (GMT 0)
I've had varied results with the SCD diet.
My wife suggested it as we already eat very healthy and prepare almost all of our meals at home so it wasn't quite the leap for us that it is for others. People can be quite fanatical and cult-like when it comes to diets, especially SCD, but I would recommend reading the book (it's short) and trying the intro diet and see if you have any improvement in a couple days. If so, keep going.
At the end of the day, the SCD diet, specifically the no-sugar mandate, is pretty much how people should be eating anyway. It's basically running your body on fats instead of carbs/sugars. I mean right now I'm eating cauliflower rice, grilled chicken and zucchini and it's delicious! Didn't even do it on purpose. Lol.
FlowersGal
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Posted 6/6/2017 1:51 AM (GMT 0)
I was never a big meat eater but now its the bulk of my diet. Mainly because I lost so much weight and my body wasn't absorbing nutrients so I knew I needed protein. I mainly eat chicken pork and fish with occasional beef. Even "heart-healthy" diets are OK with that. I gave up beans years ago due to diverticulitis. I cut outrice at first but I've since added it back in so its not that yours giving it up forever. Just for a while to see if it helps you. Personally I don't feel diets heal me but I do think cutting certain foods do irritate an existing inflammation so cutting them out temporarily helps by not adding more fuel to the flames. I think sugar is the biggest culprit in my case.
UC prisoner
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Posted 6/6/2017 3:57 AM (GMT 0)
Due to insurance change (from a group to individual plan) my insurer no longer has Asacol as part of their formulary and will require me to try step therapy prior to (maybe) approving the more expensive (over priced) asacol (that has kept me in remission for 24 years! Anyway, when inquiring with my GI Re switching he stated that while the others are fine for patients in remission asacol works better (for some patients) achieving remission when flaring. I don't know if asacol is an option for you but perhaps this may be an alternative prior to trying more potent Rxs.
I haven't attempted SCD but I know the types of foods that aggravate symptoms and I avoid or eat them in moderation. (E.g. Alcohol, preservatives, excess dairy, excess fried foods, excess bulk such as beans, excess fiber... Just to name a few)
FSLondon
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Posted 6/6/2017 8:14 AM (GMT 0)
I follow SCD and my family does not. We have what I would describe as "modular meals". The protein and main vegetables are all something I can eat and that they like a well. The starch is the modular element. When they have pasta with bolognaise, I have the sauce with grilled eggplant. When they have rice and beans, I have beans and cauliflower "rice" (beans aren't on the intro diet, but if you make them yourself are fine later on). Etc. etc. It works pretty well, frankly, and means they don't have to eat a very altered diet, but we still have shared meals.
Is the bigger issue that your wife doesn't eat much meat? I don't think that has to be a huge barrier to doing this. SCD isn't a more meat diet, it's a no complex carbohydrate diet. I'd say since going on it I eat even more vegetables than before (and I always ate a lot). Vegetarian sources of protein are fine in the later stages and eggs and fish can see you through in the earlier stages of the diet.
Separately, I would urge you to start making your own yogurt. Over the counter probiotics are entirely unregulated and many don't actually contain any live bacteria.
Electricianw/UC
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Posted 6/6/2017 9:42 AM (GMT 0)
Thank you for all your responses!
To answer your question troubled turds I reintroduced gluten to my diet when I was somewhat undercontrol and we started making our own bread in a bread machine with locally stone ground whole wheat flour. The bread only had 5 ingredients and didnt seem to makenit any worse, but as time went by I started also eating things like the staceys pita chips and some other more plain wheat snacks.
We cook basically all of our meals. I will cook dinner on monday and fridays when she stays at worl later than i do and she normally has dinner made for me when i get home tues, wed, thurs. I think she just gets overwheelmed with the idea of not knowing what to cook or worried im not eating enough food. Their culture is huge about
big meals and always offering seconds which i have learned to just say no about
.
As of now since we have talked about
it more shes not so oppossed to it which is good. In a marriage the husband and wife are basically one. All decessions directly affect one another. So thankfully she is being more receptive as of last night.
My doc told me to kick the pred and start the Ucerius this morning so gonna see how that goes. Had a pretty rough nightblast night, i did go to bed early but I woke up darn near 5 times because of pain and need to go to bathroom to let out basically nothing.. getting ready for work now at 5AM... its gonna be a good day!
Electricianw/UC
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Posted 6/6/2017 10:38 AM (GMT 0)
Also im a little hesitant to try the yoghurt. I gave up dairy more than 4 years ago before my diagnosis and havent touched it since. I know people say its great cause all the live bacteria but I gotta admit im a little scared to try it.
Uniform Charlie
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Posted 6/6/2017 1:10 PM (GMT 0)
I don't do well with lactose and follow SCD (including the yogurt). Theoretically, all lactose should be eliminated during the yogurt making process outlined in the book. I will occasionally get some mild cramping from the yogurt but find it is well worth the discomfort as it has pulled me out of some mild flares in the past. I make it in my oven using just the oven light for heat and an oven thermostat.
I disagree with jayhawk only in the time you should give the diet. Food is not magic and you are not going to"cure" your disease with a couple days of diet change. Give it a full month or two of strict adherence and take it from there.
Electricianw/UC
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Posted 6/6/2017 1:59 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks charlie for the advice I will definitely give it a try.
TroubledTurds
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Posted 6/6/2017 3:04 PM (GMT 0)
i've never tried SCD - shouldn't have read the book cuz all it did was scare me away - way too much work -
i have a much easier solution for you, guaranteed --------eat meat ! there, see how easy
Electricianw/UC
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Posted 6/6/2017 3:56 PM (GMT 0)
Lol good advice TT. I ended up leaving work early today. Been to the bathroom at least 5 times with blood each time. I feel really weak and tired and my stomach is very upset. I started the Ucerius this morning, i know it will take a while to show any improvment if it will but I feel like im dying. Maybe I should ask for some enemas pr maybe just admit myself to the hospital so I dont have to worry about
anything... this flare is a bad one
notsosicklygirl
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Posted 6/6/2017 4:21 PM (GMT 0)
Have you had stool tests? What dose of prednisone were you taking? Why does the GI think Uceris will help if prednisone didn't? I usually see it go the other way, people start with Uceris because it's more mild, and if they don't have luck, they move on to prednisone - pred is a stronger, systemic drug.
I don't really buy into the "husband and wife thing are basically one". I think it's extremely important for people to maintain their own identities for their happiness and independence - but to each their own. I am happy she's willing to give a little to help you try out this diet, it is about
give and take...
Sorry you're having a bad morning. I really hope the uceris and diet is enought og et you headed in the right direction. The truth is, uceris only works while you're on it (and if the inflammation is mild/moderate. Severe is less likely to respond), so you do need a plan for when you get off of it & I personally wouldn't put all my eggs in the diet basket. I'd definitely get enemas, and I'd take the max dose of mesalamine, and I'd find out the scoop on the prednisone/uceris, why are you switching, were you ever on a high enough dose of prednisone to induce remission? Most people start at 40mg daily at least, unless symptoms are very mild.
FSLondon
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Posted 6/6/2017 4:27 PM (GMT 0)
If you don't eat dairy, you can make coconut yogurt or buy or make coconut kefir. I've found both tasty enough and effective. I like the yogurt, it's cheaper and it's easy to make so I eat it. And I do think it helps a lot.
Electricianw/UC
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Posted 6/6/2017 4:39 PM (GMT 0)
@sicklygirl yes when I was in the hospitsl they did take dome stool tests but they did not find any infection, they said they only found white blood cells but yet when I was on the IV they were giving me antibiotics when i never understood. I have no idea why they wanted me to stop the pred and start the Ucerius but im thinking it was a bad idea. My colon is really hating me right now and causing alot of pain, im about
to just return to the ER...
I like that idea London i absolutely love coconut. Sometimes when i got a sweet tooth my wife will blend up some frozen banannas with vanilla and a little honey or agave for sweetner and make a quick simple homemade ice cream which tastes pretty good.. ah the simple things in life.
quincy
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Posted 6/6/2017 5:56 PM (GMT 0)
So, you are basically saying you have NO inflammation in rectum, sigmoid or descending colon ? Or your inflammation extends up to and into the transverse?
q
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Posted 6/6/2017 6:37 PM (GMT 0)
The strongest steroids are IV, then prednisone, and the weakest in strength/effectiveness are uceris and rectal-route steroids. My doctor said he'd only give Uceris if the patient had mild or at least very moderate inflammation. Severe inflammation almost always warrants Pred or IV steroids (depending on how severe).
It's common for WBC to be elevated during an infection or as a consequence of a UC flare. The SED rate within your blood test is also helpful for determining inflammation.
Electricianw/UC
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Posted 6/6/2017 11:00 PM (GMT 0)
@ quincy From what I understand my whole colon from rectum to transverse was inflamed during my CT scan when I was in the ER. But this is the second day I have been bugging my GI nurses about
getting rowasa enemas and they keep saying it wont make a difference because my inflammation is in the transverse colon, I dont know if I was told my results incorrectly or they have the wrong information but im pretty positive there is inflammation in my entire colon to transverse. I keep pressing them for the enemas and they said they are gonna consult my GI doc in the morning to see if its okay to give me the enemas while taking Lialda and Ucerius, they are worried its to much medicine or something idk, its getting me pretty annoyed though this run around.
@ipoop thanks for the reply, I dont fully understand why they wanted to change to Ucerius from Pred. I asked and they seem to think its more effective at getting me under control, im gonna give this ucerius a day or 2 more to help out and if not im gonna get back on the prednisone, I just need some relief from this flare, it wasbbad enough today to not be able to finish my day at work and I cant keep doing that.
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